Just checking in chaps....this looks worth a punt?
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pauljmcnulty
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I'm guessing they'll struggle. There's a very limited market for this sort of car with an S2 engine.
Copperman05
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Dont think the engine is the issue, RPM have built a few S2 track toys. For me its just the general look of the car, its too blue! Ugly IMO
Edd
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pauljmcnulty
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I agree about the blue, but a few ££s on paint isn't a deal-breaker. I just can't see there being much of a market for any modified cars built around an S2, and if you talk to anyone who's built a track-focussed S2 I can't believe they'd agree it's an easy car to sell?
Even totally original S2s in incredibly good condition are hard to shift for that money, and they are the pick of the "untouched" 944 range. You see plenty of pretty decent track-focussed turbos not fetching much more, and that has to be where the sensible money would go?
Copperman05
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Sorry but I disagree, there are plenty of track/race prepped S2's out there. Our own Neil Haughey has one. Theres also plenty of track focused 968's, which is basically the same car, infact I would go as far to say that you could get 95% of the performance of a track focused 968 club sport for a fraction of the price using a similarly focused 944 S2. Turbos may be more numerous in track form but I dont believe that means the above S2 wont sell 'because its an S2'.
Edd
Edd
Neil Haughey
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Some simple facts. If you build a 944 race car based on a turbo about the only place you can race it is in CSCC Future Classics, which is great until the 500+ Bhp Aston or 600+ Bhp Camaro or V8 Morgan etc. etc. turn up. Build an S2 and you can race and win in PCGB class 2 and the championship outright as has been done for 2 of the last 3 seasons, or race in Future Classics again but in a class in which again the S2 is the car model in favour or race again in CSCC Deutsche Marques where with the class re-arrangement the S2 will again be the car to beat in its class, or any number of other series that is happy to take a 200 Bhp NA race car but will baulk at the option of allowing in a turbo car that could have almost any power.
As a track day car then fine, a bit OTT, and it was great for Mark to race his turbo last year but hardly anyone races a 944 turbo in this country any more yet there are enough S2 and 968 race cars out there to pack a grid just based on those cars.
As a track day car then fine, a bit OTT, and it was great for Mark to race his turbo last year but hardly anyone races a 944 turbo in this country any more yet there are enough S2 and 968 race cars out there to pack a grid just based on those cars.
May have a bit of time tomorrow pm and be in the area, if so will drop in.
Neil Haughey
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All the evidence from the clubs championship supports that assertion. The difference tends to range from as little as half a second a lap up to about 2 seconds a lap when comparing the quickest in each at different tracks. As a percentage the difference is a lot less than 5%. I wouldn't quite say the build cost is a fraction as really the value of the donor car is only a very small part of the total cost to build a race car from the ground up and this is sort of reflected in sale values as there is only a couple to few grand or so difference between an S2 and 968 race car on the market.
Wow, if it's in good nik I can't see the problem. That's cheap for what it is. Well to put it in context $6k would be cheap out here for that and based on similar average wages in terms of a number.
btw what is a rough average take home weekly wage in the UK? 500gbp - 1000gbp?
btw what is a rough average take home weekly wage in the UK? 500gbp - 1000gbp?
pauljmcnulty
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Average salary is a bit over £20K. Take-home on that would be £400 a week I'd guess?
I had a look at it today.
Not bad underneath, some rust inside sills. Sill covers not well refitted after repairs.
Gearbox has more oil over it than my 250K mile one
Inside is partly stripped but very untidy, cracked dash, speaker holes in doors, bits missing etc and the sunroof - couldn't work out if it was still operating or not - but the interior of it has been removed (probably due to the fitted cage) but left with blue plastic sheet! The seats are nice as is the steering wheel, both Sparco, fire extinguisher is out of date, no gear lever gaitor and the insert is held in with electricians tape.
Engine starts well, is pretty clean, slight oil leak and sounds ok - not sure about belts etc, but would think have been done in the last couple of years.
Suspension is new looking Spax all-round, strut brace, and huge ARB! Looks quite low but still has 944 wishbone mounts.
Rear bottom mounts look odd, bolts are in fully but shock mount is free to move 10mm each way on the bolts?
No undertray, splitter is normal fibreglass.
Some nice bits on a decent shell, which has had some work done on it.
Not bad underneath, some rust inside sills. Sill covers not well refitted after repairs.
Gearbox has more oil over it than my 250K mile one
Inside is partly stripped but very untidy, cracked dash, speaker holes in doors, bits missing etc and the sunroof - couldn't work out if it was still operating or not - but the interior of it has been removed (probably due to the fitted cage) but left with blue plastic sheet! The seats are nice as is the steering wheel, both Sparco, fire extinguisher is out of date, no gear lever gaitor and the insert is held in with electricians tape.
Engine starts well, is pretty clean, slight oil leak and sounds ok - not sure about belts etc, but would think have been done in the last couple of years.
Suspension is new looking Spax all-round, strut brace, and huge ARB! Looks quite low but still has 944 wishbone mounts.
Rear bottom mounts look odd, bolts are in fully but shock mount is free to move 10mm each way on the bolts?
No undertray, splitter is normal fibreglass.
Some nice bits on a decent shell, which has had some work done on it.
Oh , forgot to mention hoop spoiler is only apparently attached one side
Did suggest £2.5k was more like it........
Did suggest £2.5k was more like it........
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Diver944
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I actually like the way it looks, white with blue trimmings works for me [8D]
I agree with Mcnulters though, a track Turbo would be easier to sell. It's not purporting itself to be a race car, they are a different league, its simply a home converted track car. I've tracked my S2 many a time and it was the sole reason I bought the Turbo - it gets frustrating having to keep moving over on the straights when you have an underpowered engine in a great 944 chassis
I agree with Mcnulters though, a track Turbo would be easier to sell. It's not purporting itself to be a race car, they are a different league, its simply a home converted track car. I've tracked my S2 many a time and it was the sole reason I bought the Turbo - it gets frustrating having to keep moving over on the straights when you have an underpowered engine in a great 944 chassis
It looks very cheap compared to the £17,000 that RPM were asking for my old S2!
Perhaps RPM did more modifications but £10-12,000 buys a lot of goodies.
Perhaps RPM did more modifications but £10-12,000 buys a lot of goodies.
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