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Erm, yes, but he never said it was a "Series 1". It sounds to me like an "S" (or, as he calls it, an "S1" as opposed to the "S2"). The S2 came to the UK in 1989, I think, so as a 1987 model it may be a Series 2, but will be an "S".ORIGINAL: 944 man
Hello. If its a 1987 then its a series two car. The S in S2 stands for Super, not series... []
Oli.
ETA: Juv - the "S" is a 2.5 16v, the "S2" is a 3.0 16v. The only 2.7 was a late-model "Lux" which was produced for a year or so - and all Lux's had 8v heads. All turbos are 8v 2.5's as well (unless someone's been tinkering with them.)
944 man
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The series one cars were built between 1981 and August 1985. Series two cars were built from September 1985. for the 1986 model year, onwards. The 1989 model year-only 2.7 litre had an eight valve cylinder head and an original-type body. The S2 had a 16v cylinder head and a longer stroke to increase the capacity to 3.0 litres and a Turbo-style body, along with 220bhp model brakes and suspension. Both of these models shared a similar bottom end design, which differed from that of the 1981-1988 normally aspirated cars (the Turbo remained unchanged). The design of the S2s cylinder head was essentially similar to that in the 1987-1988 2.5 litre 944S, adapted to the later block.
Copperman05
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Hello and welcome,
Looks like your off to a good start. Give us some pictures please...
Edd
Looks like your off to a good start. Give us some pictures please...
Edd
944 man
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ORIGINAL: zcacogp
Erm, yes, but he never said it was a "Series 1". It sounds to me like an "S" (or, as he calls it, an "S1" as opposed to the "S2"). The S2 came to the UK in 1989, I think, so as a 1987 model it may be a Series 2, but will be an "S".ORIGINAL: 944 man
Hello. If its a 1987 then its a series two car. The S in S2 stands for Super, not series... [
Oli.
ETA: Juv - the "S" is a 2.5 16v, the "S2" is a 3.0 16v. The only 2.7 was a late-model "Lux" which was produced for a year or so - and all Lux's had 8v heads. All turbos are 8v 2.5's as well (unless someone's been tinkering with them.)
You know very well that it is a common mistake to refer to pre-S2 cars as S1 or series one. You seem to want to correct me, so I will return the favour by pointing out that 'Lux' is not a model, it is a trim level.
Whoah there Simon! Not trying to pick a fight. Reign in your horses.ORIGINAL: 944 man
ORIGINAL: zcacogp
Erm, yes, but he never said it was a "Series 1". It sounds to me like an "S" (or, as he calls it, an "S1" as opposed to the "S2"). The S2 came to the UK in 1989, I think, so as a 1987 model it may be a Series 2, but will be an "S".ORIGINAL: 944 man
Hello. If its a 1987 then its a series two car. The S in S2 stands for Super, not series... [
Oli.
ETA: Juv - the "S" is a 2.5 16v, the "S2" is a 3.0 16v. The only 2.7 was a late-model "Lux" which was produced for a year or so - and all Lux's had 8v heads. All turbos are 8v 2.5's as well (unless someone's been tinkering with them.)
You know very well that it is a common mistake to refer to pre-S2 cars as S1 or series one. You seem to want to correct me, so I will return the favour by pointing out that 'Lux' is not a model, it is a trim level.
I'm not trying to correct anyone. S2 is a model, so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "pre-S2".
Thanks for the information about the "Lux" designation. I thought it was model, not a trim level. As Mr C used to say, "Every day is a school day".
Oli.
Stu Alderson
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Simon, not wishing to cut across your knowledge base, but were not some 944S's fitted with the M44.40 engines? Which I belive were also 16. The S2 on the other hand had the M44.41 16v engine, the difference between being in the cubic capacity.
Fogive my ignorance if I am wrong, it was just something I had read somewhere ....
Stu
Fogive my ignorance if I am wrong, it was just something I had read somewhere ....
Stu
hi and welcome, got a 88 lux meself, sweet cars
does seem to be an outburst of pedantry right here but its not usually like that. most questions ive asked have been answered in a friendly manner. also worht looking at the tipec forum (www.tipec.net) if you havent already done so.
does seem to be an outburst of pedantry right here but its not usually like that. most questions ive asked have been answered in a friendly manner. also worht looking at the tipec forum (www.tipec.net) if you havent already done so.
Stu Alderson
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Simon, Thanks, I was aware they were the same bore, different outputs the S having a 188 bhp, which I thought was by the addition of a 16v head with a 10.9:1 compression ratio the same as the S2, albeit they have different part numbers... LOL
Would have been a lot easier if they had stuck to the conventional Mk1, Mk2 etc's would have solved much confusion .....Thanks again.
Stu
Would have been a lot easier if they had stuck to the conventional Mk1, Mk2 etc's would have solved much confusion .....Thanks again.
Stu
Copperman05
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Simon and Oli are both knowledgeable contributers here (apparently[]), even if sometimes wires are crossed.
Just dont mention oil, and you'll be ok....[]
Edd
]), even if sometimes wires are crossed.Just dont mention oil, and you'll be ok....[
]Edd
.... and post pictures of rusty sills (not mis-spelling them 'cills'), agree that red ones are faster, acknowledge the respectable insanity of Mr Empson and recognise the inherent superiority of the S2 over all other models (sorry Simon, 'trim levels') of 944 ...ORIGINAL: Copperman05
Just dont mention oil, and you'll be ok....[
... then you'll fit in just fine!
(For extra brownie points you need to proclaim that the 944 has never been equalled, let alone bettered by Porsche, but that's probably why you bought one in the first place, eh?)
Oli.
PSH
PCGB Member
I thought everyone knew that anyway , hell Porsche knew it themselves back in the 944 heyday, just read the comments made by the then CEO and Porsche engineers. Add to that how well the 944 turbo did against current models in the Michelin Porsche cup , so well in fact that they were banned even after the GT3 had been added to the lineup and still got beat by our old humble cars.. I could go on.. but hey you guys know the truth already.. or you would have gone out and bought one of those 911 thingies.....[
][][]Pete
Interesting Pete. Do you happen to have a copy of those comments from the CEO of the time?ORIGINAL: PSH
I thought everyone knew that anyway , hell Porsche knew it themselves back in the 944 heyday, just read the comments made by the then CEO and Porsche engineers. Add to that how well the 944 turbo did against current models in the Michelin Porsche cup , so well in fact that they were banned even after the GT3 had been added to the lineup and still got beat by our old humble cars.. I could go on.. but hey you guys know the truth already.. or you would have gone out and bought one of those 911 thingies.....[
Oli.
PSH
PCGB Member
I do still have it somewhere.. it was only recently in fact that i re-read one of my many road tests from the late 80's when IIRC Peter Schultz( spelling) said that the 944 turbo was the quickest car in the fleet, this was in answer to the journalist asking him first for his top 3 cars which where 928Gt, 911 turbo , 944 turbo in that order, when asked what was the fastest car on the road of the three he said the 944 turbo.
I'll try to find it again and scan it
Pete
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