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3.0 944 turbo

Didn't sell at £10k. I suspect it will sell at or around that price though but I wonder how many would take into that the perhaps other parts of the car might not be as "fresh" as the engine. However, I'm sure it will probably still be better than most other standard cars despite this as Hartech would have checked it all over before having it on a track and updated accordingly.
 
The base car looks like £3k's worth to me so an extra £4k for the engine and other new bits + the wheels seems a great deal, time will tell how robust the machined 968 pistons are if the boost is turned up and I dont remember which rods were used. I'm not putting the project down in any way, it's proved a point, but after market pistons and rods would be in most peoples minds with an eye to future power hikes. I did ask them if they'd sell the engine seperately but they weren't interested.
 
If any modified turbo people added up what they spent in upgrading their cars then that one is cheap for what you are getting [;)]
 
OEM rods will be fine if theyre from the right year. The cars got progressively cheaper through their production with forged rods being one of the corners cut.
 
I did consider a very cheeky bid with a view to breaking it but I've bought from Hartech so they know where I live [:D].
 
The early 968 rods were the weakest, the factory manual actually states they should be replaced if the engine is that far apart. I'm using the early turbo rods which were the strongest of the lot.
 
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ORIGINAL: JamesO

The early 968 rods were the weakest, the factory manual actually states they should be replaced if the engine is that far apart. I'm using the early turbo rods which were the strongest of the lot.

As far as I know all the forged turbo rods are the same, though I believe a clearance mod is required on the 3.0 block to use them.


They bolt straight in.

Edited to add:

Back on topic, I'm sure the car would be plenty robust enough and its not just had engine work IIRC.
If only I had the cash/space.
 
ORIGINAL: TTM

James is right, early turbo rods are the strongest of factory rods.

There are different forged rods ?. In any case I'd want 20+ year old rods checked for cracks and straightness.
 

ORIGINAL: JamesO

They bolt straight in.

Edited to add:

Back on topic, I'm sure the car would be plenty robust enough and its not just had engine work IIRC.
If only I had the cash/space.

I wonder why some engine builders state the lower shoulders on the aftermarket rods fit with no clearance issues ?. Re the Hartech car there was other work, I couldn't live with the colour though and the fact the rest of the car has been to the moon almost.
 
There's a full thread about this car when Paul.F and I tested it on track two years ago

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=504691&mpage=1&key=hartech

Just to confirm, he used a 968 bottom end he had lying around and mated it up with a 944 2.7 8v head after machining the 968 pistons to lower compression. It was all then slotted straight into a Turbo because the 2.7 head lines up perfectly with intake and exhaust. Everything else on the car is totally standard, but it had a rolling road remap to get the fuelling correct for the extra capacity engine.

The project was not to build a fire breathing, all singing and dancing monster capable of running high boost with mega power, but was a simple exercise that deleivered a very driveable, torquey Turbo with good low down grunt and less lag. The extra 500cc capacity achieved all that. [:)]
 
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ORIGINAL: TTM

James is right, early turbo rods are the strongest of factory rods.

There are different forged rods ?. In any case I'd want 20+ year old rods checked for cracks and straightness.

Going to the extreme edge, does that mean as all 944's are that old you're going to take your rods out and check them? [;)] I did check mine as best I could. In my case I have a spare short block if it all goes a bit pear shape.
The interference issue I believe is when stroking the 2.5 block using a s2 or 968 crank.
 

ORIGINAL: JamesO

Going to the extreme edge, does that mean as all 944's are that old you're going to take your rods out and check them? [;)] I did check mine as best I could. In my case I have a spare short block if it all goes a bit pear shape.

No, they may be cast anyway so I'd stump up for some proper rods if I ever build a 3.0 or bigger [:D].
 
Early Turbos, crank, rods and pistons forged, not so for later cars but i do not know when this changed ? The Hartech car would have to be mint for 10k, even at 7.5k it is expensive as the rest of the car looks tired
 
968 rods compared to '86 turbo rods if interested:-



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I asume the top one is the 968? (Guessed by the text order of your post, the splined nuts, and narrower rod part).

Perfect for a 944 register "feely bag" competition![8|]
 

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