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pauljmcnulty

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I hope at least one person spots the 944-relevant title there. A small prize for the first correct answer! [:)]

Can I quote from the "farewell" thread, sorry Nick for pinching your comment but I think it was very well written.

there are alot of sad sarcastic posts flying about today , they need stopping or this forum is going in a different direction from what it should be.I thought it was for owners of Porsche cars who for whatever reason need help and advice because they are proud of their car and enjoy it , no matter what their circmstances are.
Differences of opinion are always good to learn from but when people start publicly criticing and showing obvious hatred of others via the forum then that needs stopping.
It is up to the owner asking for help to decide which is the best advice .

Whilst I think it's rare that we have bust-ups (or should that be busts-up? [8|]) here, it's always a shame when two forum stalwarts get personal. Even worse when people, who've contributed a lot, up and leave.

With a review underway into the Club's IT, including plans for a new website and, probably, more integrated forums, and the Worker's Conference in a couple of weeks, perhaps now is a good time to ask for ideas and views as to how the 944 area, and the forum in general, moves forward and improves?

My thoughts, speaking personally and not as admin, are:

We have a mature forum here, that's different in "tone" to something like PH. Whilst that's all good, I think we run a risk of ending up as a bunch of old fogies in ever-dwindling numbers if we don't welcome new owners. They might be younger, they might post from phones where fat fingers make spelling and grammar mistakes, but that doesn't mean that 944 buyers are becoming "chavs". Should we keep enforcing the tighter rules on posts, or let people get away with the silly mis-spelt swear words, for instance? It might sound petty, but if people want a polite forum then that's what we have to give them.

We have some very knowledgeable people here. The day someone is patronised because they aren't as clever, don't know as much about 944s, or couldn't change a fuse if their life depended on it (that's me, BTW [&o]), I think we should all go home. But, when someone actually knows something they also shouldn't be criticised. Challenged and questioned, perhaps, but respect people for sharing their knowledge.

Traders are a big problem with our current rules. We have an absolute "no ads" rule, but we can't expect specialists to advise when every post has to be moderated to avoid any commercial aspects. Plenty of people are being allowed some degree of flexibility here, but what would this forum be without Type 911, Elliot, Jon Mitchel, any number of others. Should we be creating some sort of "trader" forum status to encourage more specialists on?

Club members and guests [&o]. This will come up whenever I raise forum issues at a Club conference, as there is almost a 50/50 split between people wanting a Club-only forum, and those like me who know it would be the death of the Club's online presence, and would change the Club's whole future for the worse. How do you "guests" view the Club, the forum, and what you get here for free? Should we open it to advertising, so everyone effectively pays for it, or is it just an expectation that we provide you a free forum? I think it adds value to Club members to have it open to non-members, and have worked to keep the "for sale" forum open to all for that reason, but I'd welcome your comments.

Lastly, and perhaps this might raise hackles (which isn't the intention), why have this forum and the Tipec 944 area become almost carbon-copies? If you view the first page of both, the chances are it's the same people posting the same questions. We used to have a great releationship when Sean was active with his 944, and every PH thread, for example, was replied to with mentions of both Tipec and PCGB. That's changed recently, and you might have seen my constant reminders that there are two forums, both free to everyone, where the Tipec guy always "forgets" to mention us. What do you guys want the two forums to offer? Should they be different, should they be more closely linked by us working together, or should we be creating something totally different here so there is a choice?

So. Over to you. Your comments would be very useful, please feel free to email me if you'd rather, 944@porscheclubgb.com, but I think we have a very supportive Board at the moment and now would be a good time to plan for the future. We have a great community, it's a shame when we have bad feelings flying around, but we need to be constantly moving on if we are to stay relevant IMO. [:)]
 
Not nearly the reply that this deserves, but a quick one for the time being: traders - some add a great deal and others nothing and members vs. guests - allowing the foolish and short-sighted closed argument to win, will be the best thing that the club can do for TIPEC.
 
If it aint broke then don't fix it.

I've been using the forum since almost day one and will continue to do so. I dip in and out of the others but I always find this the most useful, the most friendly, the most polite and the one inhabited by real people that I know and drive with on numerous occasions
 
I agree with Paul - it seems to work pretty well here...

tbh I wouldn't mind paying towards this forum - not sure I want to sacrifice more trees for a monthly copy of porsche post though (has it improved?)
 
Integrating 924 and 968 may help, but it would make the site similar to TIPEC. I particularly value the friendly atmosphere here and I agree that it is far superior to TIPEC's Frontrunner forum, as shown by my 10:1 posting ratio.
 
Have been sitting here thinking on how to put into words a decent reply, having just read Paul's reply I think it sums it up in a nutshell

In ain't broke so it don't need fixing

The 944 section of the forum works very well and with the cross section of members, guests, old and new owners long may it continue
 
Must agree with Paul and Andy - it works as it is.

I am on PH and TIPEC but must of my time and inclination is here.
 
They are questions worth consideration.
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty
We have a mature forum here, that's different in "tone" to something like PH. Whilst that's all good, I think we run a risk of ending up as a bunch of old fogies in ever-dwindling numbers if we don't welcome new owners. They might be younger, they might post from phones where fat fingers make spelling and grammar mistakes, but that doesn't mean that 944 buyers are becoming "chavs". Should we keep enforcing the tighter rules on posts, or let people get away with the silly mis-spelt swear words, for instance? It might sound petty, but if people want a polite forum then that's what we have to give them.
I prefer politeness overall, we have all used the odd disguised word to get our point across but profanity for profanity sake becomes somewhat tiresome.
We have some very knowledgeable people here. The day someone is patronised because they aren't as clever, don't know as much about 944s, or couldn't change a fuse if their life depended on it (that's me, BTW [&o]), I think we should all go home. But, when someone actually knows something they also shouldn't be criticised. Challenged and questioned, perhaps, but respect people for sharing their knowledge.

Traders are a big problem with our current rules. We have an absolute "no ads" rule, but we can't expect specialists to advise when every post has to be moderated to avoid any commercial aspects. Plenty of people are being allowed some degree of flexibility here, but what would this forum be without Type 911, Elliot, Jon Mitchel, any number of others. Should we be creating some sort of "trader" forum status to encourage more specialists on?
I dont see the harm of having a trader forum but it needs some careful consideration, on other Porsche forums some specialists now appear to have exclusive possession or control on the forum, healthy competition should be promoted.
Club members and guests [&o]. This will come up whenever I raise forum issues at a Club conference, as there is almost a 50/50 split between people wanting a Club-only forum, and those like me who know it would be the death of the Club's online presence, and would change the Club's whole future for the worse. How do you "guests" view the Club, the forum, and what you get here for free? Should we open it to advertising, so everyone effectively pays for it, or is it just an expectation that we provide you a free forum? I think it adds value to Club members to have it open to non-members, and have worked to keep the "for sale" forum open to all for that reason, but I'd welcome your comments.
I agree with Simon, excluding non members would mean 99% would go to the club which offers free forum membership, it doesn't stop us however from reserving some useful services as members only (not sure what these might be yet[:)]) to encourage more people to join up.
Lastly, and perhaps this might raise hackles (which isn't the intention), why have this forum and the Tipec 944 area become almost carbon-copies? If you view the first page of both, the chances are it's the same people posting the same questions. We used to have a great releationship when Sean was active with his 944, and every PH thread, for example, was replied to with mentions of both Tipec and PCGB. That's changed recently, and you might have seen my constant reminders that there are two forums, both free to everyone, where the Tipec guy always "forgets" to mention us. What do you guys want the two forums to offer? Should they be different, should they be more closely linked by us working together, or should we be creating something totally different here so there is a choice?

There is bound to be some overlap due to the similarities of both clubs, I think most people who post mirror posts on both just want as much feedback on their particular issue or question as possible, so they ask the same question on both forums. I too have noticed your observations on PH, but perhaps we cant expect too much from other club board members when it comes to promoting the PCGB. Just means we have to make sure we are about to keep information balanced and fair. The PCGB 944 forum does hold certain advantages over the TIPEC version in my view, its certainly a bit more active and diverse despite being more model specific. More and more 944 specific events are being organised and this can only be a good thing. Having the club assist us more with these in the future may be beneficial to both.



Edd
 
I would not object to peoplpe Like Jon Mitchell from having a business presence. Promoting your business in a way that would be set out in the forum rules is, in my humble opinion, fair payback for professional expertise and advice. It could be in the form of a business address or company identifier in the " I would like to say" part of the profile with a limited number of words, but only for Porsche related businesses and not an vehicle for, to put it bluntly, every bloody IT or tyre-salesman Tom Dick and Harry, who thinks they can generate cash flow by clogging up the forum with spam. This, again in my opinion, is a gross misuse of "the spirit of the forum" and should be censured.
Paul I will give you my views at the workers conference.
 
I've only been here a couple of years but feel it still works, I don't really see that anything has changed or gone downhill - it seems to have got a little busier but still a friendly atmosphere.

I helped set-up the MK1 Golf Owners Club in 2004 and am still an active member and moderator. We tried the members only route - or got very close at least - for the forum but it didn't work. We tried paid members or separate fee for listing in classifieds. That didn't work either, the community missed out on a lot of good cars and parts. Now you just need a minimum number of posts before advertising which works, but all ads have to be MK1 Golf related.

We too have a family friendly forum, adopting generally a pre-9pm water shed type ruling on language etc and it's always worked well. I've always seen this forum as having that similar 'family friendly' feel.

Ref traders, as mentioned above, if they're relevant then I think it's useful to embrace them in the right way.

I hope the above helps? - don't see anything needs fixing/changing although I would still like to see the 2 minutes between posts dropped though! [:D]
 
I strongly agree with John. Jon Mitchell would add a great deal but I suspect that after the shocking way that Promax were allowed to slander him here, that his interest would be extremely cool. I also think that a self-interested trader/breaker with little real knowledge and who only uses the forum to try to generate business, has nothing to offer.
 
We're all adults, and shouldn't be upset by offensive language, but I prefer a forum without it. The tone of a response can easily be misinterpreted, litter it with profanity and you'll have people leaving every day. So I hope the rules on language and politeness are kept as tight as ever. I'd also prefer a forum without chavvy phone grammar, which only offends the pedant in me, but I've seen that countered elsewhere by a few well-placed jokes.

I agree that a free forum is essential. I was a guest for many months before recently joining, being a try-before-you-buy type of guy. If the forum was member only, I would not have joined. Member only sections within a forum do work in my opinion, and have seen such premium areas containing technical details and guides. However, I'm not sure how that would work here when excellent sites such as clarks-garage are readily available and free to all.
 
Just a small thing 944 man and thanks for your endorsement. I am now going to ruin the moment by pointing out that slandering someone in print is libel, although the deformation of character is stilll the key issue.
[:D]Lord chief anorak on high and bar[:D]
 
A schoolboy error, although in my defence I did consider this and opted for slander due to my (possibly incorrectly) regarding forums as spoken, rather than print.

 

ORIGINAL: chrisjcoe

We're all adults, and shouldn't be upset by offensive language, but I prefer a forum without it. The tone of a response can easily be misinterpreted, litter it with profanity and you'll have people leaving every day. So I hope the rules on language and politeness are kept as tight as ever. I'd also prefer a forum without chavvy phone grammar, which only offends the pedant in me, but I've seen that countered elsewhere by a few well-placed jokes........
I second your pedantry and would go further to say that very much like a good script does not need to be drowned out by unnecessary background sound bite samples (that in itself is a very lazy way to try insert musical puns and extra drama), a well constructed and logically argued comment does not need to be embellished by the use of profanities. Contractions of words are all too necessry when texting with a limited amount of time and characters, but by definition you don't log into the forum unless you are time-rich, and there is no limit to the number of charctes in a post; hell's teeth if there was a limit i would probably have to double my number of posts.
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

A schoolboy error, although in my defence I did consider this and opted for slander due to my (possibly incorrectly) regarding forums as spoken, rather than print.
[:D] have to stop using LOL now; see previous post
 
Speaking from the perspective of someone new to 944 ownership and new to this forum, I think it's great!
I read most posts just to try to learn as much as possible about the marque and I ask questions when I want to find the answer to something I don't know or don't understand. I find that people on here seem decent, knowledgable and willing to help each other. I also post on PH because i have an old TVR and that is the best forum for that car but I have to say that there is A LOT more bitching, sniping, backstabbing, niggling and general unpleasantness over there.
So i think this forum is pretty darn good and I hope in future to be able to put something back in to it.

Cheers
M3
 
ORIGINAL: 944 man
the shocking way that Promax were allowed to slander him here, that his interest would be extremely cool
before
I think its a bit unfair to bring Promax as a company into this issue, the 'Promax' I use are a different bunch of people to the person you refer to. Andy Everett and the guys at Promax in MK have never said a bad word about anybody as far as I know.


Edd
 
On the subject of being open to non members - I doubt we would keep (have attracted) our valued overseas contributors if you had to be a club member to post. Other points if the search worked better we probably wouldn't get some of the repetition that occurs from time to time, on the other hand it helps to cement the knowledge in the grey matter [:)]

Tony


 
Oh and member benefits will attract people to pay for club membership ( a thread or searchable forum area listing said benefits might be nice we could then keep track of them! and also allow non members to absorb) - top of my list would be cheaper club trackdays for members - it irks me that they are so much more than profit making companies like goldtrack / javelin especially when I get blocked more and don't notice the alleged relative lower numbers of drivers on the occasions I have done a PCGB day. Others maybe attracted to cheaper waxes and lambswool mitts - well I probably would go for that too. Maybe advertisers in PP could be encouraged to include a discount code in exchange for a discount for that months ad.

A closed forum would just send a large number elsewhere, minimising the benefit to members.

The trader rules I always found a little over tight - there is nothing to stop a trader joining up under a fake name and saying what great service they had from themselves!

A better gallery would be nice - would be good if our porsche images could be uploaded here instead of photobucket etc. would build an invaluable library of pictures for the future club.

thats all my thoughts for now!







 

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