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lee fulford

lee fulford

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Anyone of you guys know if I can still buy a new rear cage for the RS?

Heigo or Matter for example are names that have been banded around or is the factory option jobbie still available?

Dont want to weld it in just bolt it to existing holes.

Thanks
I eagerly await.

lee
 
I think the Heigo is still available in Germany but they are expensive. I Have one in mine. Athough it bolts into the seat belt fixing on the floor it is still necessary to drill a hole in each inner guard and also if you want to bolt to the transmission tunnel two holes need to be drilled there. Mine is colour coded and looks great.
I was told recently that it is necessary to tell the insurance company if there is a roll cage fitted. Are you aware of this. What do you think?
Jeff
 
ORIGINAL: lee fulford

Anyone of you guys know if I can still buy a new rear cage for the RS?

Heigo or Matter for example are names that have been banded around or is the factory option jobbie still available?

Dont want to weld it in just bolt it to existing holes.

Thanks
I eagerly await.

lee
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Lee just a had a HEIGO polished alloy half cage fitted......bolted in beautifully using original factory points don't think any drilling was needed took my man 4 hours in total to fit. Other option Safety Devices scaffold poles only about £250 painted....or go to the HEIGO website www.heigo.de think about 1000 Euro plus...or hunt around the usual suspects for a used jobby...the 964RS certainly looks the Mutzzz Nutzzz avec Le Cage aux Follies mes amis......harnesses and suede Sparco wheel next Lee? Copycat.....!
 
Be careful with Safety Devices cage - lovely cage and all but the bolt in points on mine were different to factory plates and welding new mounting plates to the body would have been required. My tech decided to take it out and revert the car to standard lwt spec. instead of buggering around turning it into a CS. My insurers also had a heart attack when I mentioned the cage, and many normally friendly ones wouldn't quote. If I was going down that route again I would go for a full welded in cage with door bars etc. after checking with insurer.

Cages do look the absolute danglies tho'; I will get my fix from the Ultima FIA spec cage (that even had windscreen bars like the NASCARs that had to be taken out for SVA compliance!).

Lovely maritime blue CS at Oulton on Sat with maritime blue centres on speedlines. That had a nice cage in it!
 
My bolt-in Heigo was a piece of p*** agree did not want to get involved with welding etc..........Not trying to make it look like a CS, but a real RS...Matter cage was a factory option on the 'Basic Model' otherwise described as lightweight......
 
"I will get my fix from the Ultima FIA spec cage"

Yeh, yeh, fly, pigs, will.........

[;)]

Next you'll be telling us the Baron is back!!

Mel
 
Baron may be back at the weekend!!! LOL, we'll see.

Des, I know a Matter cage was a factory option - that is why i went safety devices as they bought Matter. I wasn't having a go at you putting one in, I like cages myself, just that it wasn't my choice to pursue the CS ideal when I have an Ultima to build...

If I DID put a full cage in I would be dead tempted to get rid of everything a la CS, and that would be a bit silly for my needs. Once you put a cage in and take some carpets out you are half way to the Clubsport spec.

Your heigo cage does sound good though.

I still think that the classic 'basic model' look is sans-cage, as it was an option rarely specced by basic model owners - and my car certainly didn't have an original cage fitted as an option. Also, as I mentioned before, although it looks the nuts, insurers have a lobotomised reaction to cages on road cars. Stupid really as they don't with airbags and side airbags, and they offer impact protection as well.
 
ORIGINAL: domster

If I DID put a full cage in I would be dead tempted to get rid of everything a la CS, and that would be a bit silly for my needs. Once you put a cage in and take some carpets out you are half way to the Clubsport spec.
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Half way to CS spec..............the Basic/Clubsport/Cup Car are basically all the same car, but all have their own unique identity, I think the half cage is a nice safety/cosmetic add on......and in no way is trying to be anything other than a bascic lightweight model...all the European 964RSs have cages that I have met in my travels, having chatted to to a few seasoned 964RS Dutch guys at the Nurburgring, were shocked at the UK cars without a cage or harnesses.

Look forward to seeing the Ultima..........
 
Thanks for the ever pasionate responses, getting a bit heated again...

Des, did your cage bolt into existing holes or did they have to drill more as did Jeff or are they two different types of cages?

I'm going now to check on a search engine.

Incidentally my insurance company seem very reasonable and nothing seems to bother them too much but an interesting thought.
 
You are lucky if insurers don't mind. I rang about 30 and only about 3 humoured me with a quote [;)]

The more I think about it, the more I like the look/safety of a cage so I may have to get one refitted. I'd go for a full cage next time though, not just the rear half cage. In for a penny, in for a pound. Oh, and I'd be tempted to get 9M to supercharge it as well [:D]

Des, Ultima will be ready in about 2007 but you'd be more than welcome to have a butchers when it is ready. My aim is for it to lap Oulton quicker than Melv in his cup car, hehe.
 
same as you Dom - when insuring the CS my insurers went mad at the thought of a cage in a road car, until they were shown proof that it was standard spec fitted at the factory when new.

it appears to have nothing to do with the actual cage itself - more to do with the fact that the cars modified [:eek:]


insurance companies [:mad:][:mad:]
 
I tried to explain that Safety Devices/Matter were one and the same these days and that the cage was a factory option. But as it was FITTED later, they continued to throw a fit. Ended up using Carole Nash who didn't mind :)
 
Everything fitted in nicely pretty sure nothing was drilled, however the hranesses needed a couple of fixings on the rear shelf and one for the crutch strap oooooooh..........would look for a Heigo Aluminium bolt in job, hunt around the net, mine came out of a written off Turbo 2 3.6 lightweight track car did it's job no damage perfect. See you at next club night Lee?
 
Another thing to note if you're installing a cage for safety is whether it is FIA or MSA approved. As far as I know only the steel cages are approved. I don't know of any ally cages that are approved. Let me know of any if they exist as the polished ally ones do look the business.

I guess this means the steel ones are stronger and with this in mind I'm not sure I'd want to re-use an ally cage from a heavily crashed car.

Also with harnesses make sure you buy new so you know their history. If you buy some secondhand to save a bit of money they may already have done their job in a heavy crash and are now not effective. Harnesses are designed to stretch slightly in an accident to control the deceleration of the body, rather than an instant stop. If they have already stretched from a heavy accident then don't use them. The Schroth belts have a usefull stitched patterned area on the sholder straps to indicate easily if the belts have already been in an accident.
 
Heigo aluminium is NOT FIA approved, however will not be competing in any FIA events, my theory is better than nothing at all and will do the job if needed, let's hope not, the cage I bought is in perfect condition, the car it came out of had a frontal not rolled my Harnesses are brand new FIA approved Sabelts would not but seconfhand here.

You pays your money........................
 
Dom if the rs has not had a cage in it before the Heigo does require drilling. but the Main hoop his fixed into the seatbelt mounting. What insurance companies did not want to touch a car with a Cage? The Heigo main sections are ally but the Brass jointings are very heavy.
jeff
 
Hi Lee , replying to your original post...I researched what to fit in my 'standard' 964RS , ended up choosing a 'removable' bolt-in steel half cage that needs saddle plates welding to the sills , before it can be bolted in . The Matter half cage was a similar design, also needed such mounting plates. The Heigo ally assembly is a different design, popular though expensive , I assume it is lighter but not as strong, I don't think the weight saving is crucial for a half cage. I assume you are going to fit a harness too, recommend a specialist doing all this as they know the strongest points to fit to , dont recommend DIY !
 
ORIGINAL: oldtimer
I assume it is lighter but not as strong, I don't think the weight saving is crucial for a half cage.
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The Heigo weighs in at about 5Kg very light, beautiful piece of precision German engineering yes very expensive to buy new...you pay for what you get, it's actually different to yours Jeff in design but most likely same composition, I would think it would withstand any major sub 200mph impact........ultimately you can't beat the factory full welded in jobby.....let's not test that one![&:]

www.heigo.de
 
ORIGINAL: Des Sturdee

.......ultimately you can't beat the factory full welded in jobby.....let's not test that one![&:]
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having 'tested' the cage [:(][:(][:(] I can vouch for the fact that it works....

Cuppie2 RIP
 
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