My old Turbo for sale on PH
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I expected to usual Turbo v's S2 arguments but I really didn't see that much passion. Being an S2 owner I would have to say that I prefer it to a turbo.Although I would buy a turbo just so that I had both. The S2 was heralded as being the best handling car of it's day and I would have to agree that bis does flatter your abilities behind the wheel. Also if the turbo was such a good car why did Porsche base the follow up model 968 on the S2 and not on a warmed over Turbo which would have given more power for less investment.The answer is that the 3lt 16v engine is a fantastic unit who's characteristics siut the chassis alot better than an peeky on off turbo unit.And any way it's only you boys with 250hp turbos that can claim huge improvements in performance over an S2. If the gearing in a S2 was as long as the Turbo then the 0-60 times would be alot closer as you can do it in 2nd but we need 3rd and an extra change looses a bit of time. Also hitting 7k rpm in 3rd is always a treat that you Turbo boys could never experience.
In fairness, the 968 was developed with a turbo model in mind, but a recession (familiar phrase - that!) turned up and nicked all the money so development never moved to production. There are some 968 turbo's around (I think they made single-digit numbers) and they are meant to be superb cars, which change hands for very big amounts of money.
As I said, I've driven a number of S2's and a Turbo and don't believe that one is superior to the other. Different - yes; very different. But not superior.
Would I sell my S2 for a turbo? No (particularly given that I live in London and the S2 is more tractable.) Would I suggest that a turbo owner should sell theirs for an S2? No.
Oli.
Can't resist this debate!
I had a 220 turbo which was fantastic but I did want a 968 and then regretted selling the turbo, I've driven several turbo's and S2's but nothing using that chassis put a grin on my ugly mug more than a turbo.
Having said that, the handling of the 968 was a leisure ride and if I were to get another turbo I would have to rework the suspension to 968. Of course, I'd also have to raise the hp to 300+.
S2? No thanks.
I had a 220 turbo which was fantastic but I did want a 968 and then regretted selling the turbo, I've driven several turbo's and S2's but nothing using that chassis put a grin on my ugly mug more than a turbo.
Having said that, the handling of the 968 was a leisure ride and if I were to get another turbo I would have to rework the suspension to 968. Of course, I'd also have to raise the hp to 300+.
S2? No thanks.
Just wait till I get my DME upgrade onto my turbo! Bets I can get rid of a lot of lag now that I don't have an AFM and can properly map the ignition during the boost transitions so it doesn't immediately switch to full load ignition retard as soon as the throttle is wide opened and then sit there producing no power while the turbo spools...
I just love all the friendly banter around the S2 - turbo debate. But the simple truth is they are both fantastic cars.Different yes but in a good way. I would love to have seen what Porsche would have done with a 3 lt 16v vario cam turbcharged engine in a 968. Super club sport anyone?.... By the way has anybody got experience of turbo charging the 3lt 16v s2 engine. I would like to biuld one for my car but I don't want a 8v head on a 3lt block. I watched a guy doing a twin torbo conversion on a 928 s4 on You tube and thought MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! that would be good in a S2. Must be able to get 350-400 bhp from a 3lt 16v engine don't you think? Come on engine and computer boys what can we do?
Suffolk944
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Can get that from the 2.5 8V of course....
Yeah there are lots of exciting options! I have GPF's old turbo now which is a marked improvement on the K26/6. But I was really tempted by a Borg Warner ERT turbo specced to about 350 BHP. It has ceramic bearings, CNC aluminium compressor and a titanium turbine. Super light weight rotating mass and ceramic bearings with a very modern design of wheel should give massive improvements. However I'm just going to take small steps on the mechanical side so I can see what really makes a difference. Also been looking at twin scroll setups, which look plausible for the 951.
944 man
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Twin scrolls are easy to source now, but there is a black art to their manifolds and to making them work generally... With full control of the fuel and ignition then a Japanese hybrid would be my choice - for a modest sum you can have 21st century impellers and bearings along with quick spool and high boost.
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