More than capable
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Despite my previous teasing of Turbo owners I agree it is a fabulous car. Historically the dry lap times of Turbos and GT cars have always been quite close. The Turbo is very quick down the straights but heavy on the brakes and a little slower through the corners. The GT cars have been slower down the straights but better on the brakes and through the corners. In the wet no contest the Turbo just disappears.
Whilst the Turbo is a great all round car the GT cars offer a more involving and emotional driving experience with a lot more noise and a lot more revs to play with and in my view is better value for money especially come resale time.
Whilst the Turbo is a great all round car the GT cars offer a more involving and emotional driving experience with a lot more noise and a lot more revs to play with and in my view is better value for money especially come resale time.
Good points Bob and well made.
But "Au contraire Rodney", as Delboy might say, those are the very things which some owners of the turbo actually like.
Extra weight a necessary consequence of the traction and security of FWD, and 18 way seats, and sound deadening to improve NVH. Yes please.
Nicely finished cabin, plenty of leather and quiet too with no risk of headaches from a shouty exhaust.
Standard PDK very intuitive and 99% of the time can be left in Sport Auto to do its thing.
PDCC not even an option on GT3 it would seem. And no risk of grounding the turbo on rough roads thanks to pneumatic retractable front splitter system also not available on GT3. And did I read they are using the GT3 front suspension on cheap and cheerful GT4? Tells its own story perhaps.
Icing on the turbo cake, more torques than you can shake a stick at.
As for GT2RS. The 997 version is a bit of an animal if the instructors at PEC are to be believed so well above my pay grade.
All in all we pensioners are quite happy with the turbo as it is thanks.
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Interesting thread with some valid points raised, my thoughts are the GT3 is a superb car,
and must admit I would have been tempted if one was available at new price at the time of
my last purchase.
But unless you are a trackday regular which I am not, I cannot see the point in putting up
with the shortcomings as a road car, and prefer a bit of comfort .
All current 991 series are cars with a dual personality and the non more than the turbo S,
relaxing as a long distance cruiser, with breathtaking overtaking abilities.
Press a few buttons and possibly the quickest road car to 60 you can buy.
1.13.6 at Anglesey little more to add really[]
Anyway its Horlicks for me Nick []
and must admit I would have been tempted if one was available at new price at the time of
my last purchase.
But unless you are a trackday regular which I am not, I cannot see the point in putting up
with the shortcomings as a road car, and prefer a bit of comfort .
All current 991 series are cars with a dual personality and the non more than the turbo S,
relaxing as a long distance cruiser, with breathtaking overtaking abilities.
Press a few buttons and possibly the quickest road car to 60 you can buy.
1.13.6 at Anglesey little more to add really[
]Anyway its Horlicks for me Nick [
]I think there are too many clichés associated with the various models and that test drive blows them away.
For a road car, there are some that will say that they have gone from a turbo to GT3 as a road car and drive the GT3 slower because it is not set up to handle varying road conditions as well as the turbo. So, yes, if you're going to do track work get a GT3 or GT2. If you're going to drive predominantly on the road, choose whichever you feel you will get the most out of. For some that may still be the GT3 but for others they will not be in any way short-changed opting for the turbo and in many cases, better off for their needs. For me i'd possibly like a GT3 alongside a turbo and only take it out on the driest of days and take it for a blast on the smoothest of roads. But for every other day i'd just take the turbo and have fun without checking the weather or choice of roads in advance.
For a road car, there are some that will say that they have gone from a turbo to GT3 as a road car and drive the GT3 slower because it is not set up to handle varying road conditions as well as the turbo. So, yes, if you're going to do track work get a GT3 or GT2. If you're going to drive predominantly on the road, choose whichever you feel you will get the most out of. For some that may still be the GT3 but for others they will not be in any way short-changed opting for the turbo and in many cases, better off for their needs. For me i'd possibly like a GT3 alongside a turbo and only take it out on the driest of days and take it for a blast on the smoothest of roads. But for every other day i'd just take the turbo and have fun without checking the weather or choice of roads in advance.
Nick
I think my KN Diesel S may match your specification:
1. 850NM of Torques with twin Turbos. Far more than Turbo S
2. Acres of leather with Porsche DNA in evidence everywhere
3. Far more comfortable than a 911 and half the price of a Turbo S
4. More economical than a Turbo S and just as quiet
5. You can be more relaxed about the potholes
6. Nice and heavy so you really feel the weight when braking hard
7. 8 speed gearbox with paddles to pull when you get bored
8. Vast array of extras ( far more than for a 991) to spend your pension on
9. Low rev limit just like a Turbo S
10. Goes very well and everyone gets out of your way when they see you coming
11. The dog likes it
12. Cup holder is more accessible so good for those hot drinks
13. PDCC is available ( I know I know its standard on the Turbo S) but does lean a bit in the corners just like a Turbo S
I think my KN Diesel S may match your specification:
1. 850NM of Torques with twin Turbos. Far more than Turbo S
2. Acres of leather with Porsche DNA in evidence everywhere
3. Far more comfortable than a 911 and half the price of a Turbo S
4. More economical than a Turbo S and just as quiet
5. You can be more relaxed about the potholes
6. Nice and heavy so you really feel the weight when braking hard
7. 8 speed gearbox with paddles to pull when you get bored
8. Vast array of extras ( far more than for a 991) to spend your pension on
9. Low rev limit just like a Turbo S
10. Goes very well and everyone gets out of your way when they see you coming
11. The dog likes it
12. Cup holder is more accessible so good for those hot drinks
13. PDCC is available ( I know I know its standard on the Turbo S) but does lean a bit in the corners just like a Turbo S
Ah yes. The tale of the tape. But there are one or two other large numbers lurking round in the Tech Spec on the Configurator. Where exactly is the extra 800kg located? Gold bars perhaps; my final figure was £85k [
]Only way to settle it Bob. See you at Anglesey on 23 May. [
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I look forward to seeing you at Anglesey Nick which will provide a couple of firsts for me. First time at this circuit and first track day for the 991 GT 3. That combination probably means I will be lapped (particularly if the rain is coming in off the Irish sea) but should have a smile on my face none the less. The Turbo S will eat the GT 3 in the wet.
I agree the KN is a heavy beast and needs to go on a diet. The V8 diesel engine is a peach but must account for a lot of the extra weight. No Gold bars Mr Brown sold them all didn't he?
I agree the KN is a heavy beast and needs to go on a diet. The V8 diesel engine is a peach but must account for a lot of the extra weight. No Gold bars Mr Brown sold them all didn't he?
That's great Bob. Mike ( spook on here) will be there with his. And Wayne who we met on the 991 trip has also booked. So that's at least 3 991 GT3. Me, I'll be tootling along at the back in the antiquated 997 version. Mike and I are going up to N Wales on Friday night, pm me if you want details.
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