Keep our 955 Turbo or change for a 958 Diesel

[beershark]

Hi all, Some advice needed please....

We have a 2005 Cayenne Turbo with around 95,000 miles on it. Had it for 2 years, full porsche history and is now due for a service and a few minor bits taken care of.

Our situation has changed and economy will now become a factor and thinking of changing for a later model diesel.

If we keep the car, is it really worth keeping a Porsche history for £500 - £600 or go to an indie for 1/2 that price and a few bits done... If we keep the car will keep for a few more years.

Plan B is selling this (If anyone is interested, its in London) and getting a 2013 Diesel with 67k, FPSH. This one doesnt have the air suspension - is that a good or bad thing?

Anything to look out for on a 13 Diesel?

Thanks in advance,

Rob

 

[RCS]

Regret no specific answers to your query, but answering in reverse order:-

We have a 63 plate 3litre Diesel, coming up to 60k miles which we have had from one year old. FPSH, and without tempting fate nothing has failed or fallen off it (it does have Porsche Warranty). So just the servicing and tyres, and we've had the discs and pads done all round - so expected consumables really. Its on air which i like. If I want to be spritely on a twisty road the Sport mode does firm it up nicely with PASM. I have driven steel, but on a loaner so no real time to notice much difference. Ours is on 21's and whether wheel size is also something to consider in the air v steel conundrum not sure. On long runs we see about 40mpg - overall its averaging around 38 mpg.

As regards yours. If you are going to sell it would a full set of Porsche stamps get any more for it? And if so does that equate to the extra you've paid for the service and work? As we all know most important is a full service history and if the Indi is a known respected one it would not put me off.

I guess if you do want to change it the question is what might you have to put into the deal to get a Diesel (sorry not up on Turbo prices etc etc)? Assuming yours is proving reliable then the main point is presumably fuel costs, and with a higher mileage possibility of more work being needed? If you are putting cash in to change that cash could offset the running costs and you retain a vehicle you know, understand and as far as you are aware has no problems. Changing gets you potentially a cheaper KN to run, but its an unknown, even with a FPSH. Not saying it would have faults, but whenever I change with a used vehicle I'm always double checking everything to make sure there's nothing we've missed and it takes a little while to settle into it.

Just my thoughts sorry there's no concrete view one way or t'other!!

Rod

 

[beershark]

Hi Rod,

Thanks for your response, appreciated.

Continuing with Porsche history over a good Indie has some value, a couple of hundred ££ difference so not a massive deal. We have the air suspension at the moment but I know the bags can sometimes have issues, not a problem under warranty but it wont always be under warranty.

I do use the height adjustment occasionally for loading (goods or elderly parents!) but dont expect to be off road any time soon, certainly not full off-road anyways.

We would be downsizing the performance aspect but trading off economy for a newer car which I would expect to be more refined and better overall. Also, having a warranty is a big plus point for me.

Glad you have had a pleasant experience with yours, its it your first one? Do you feel its powerful enough for the size of car?

Thanks,

Rob

 

[Tony]

Go to an indie.
At the age of the car, regardless of mileage your not going to impact the value and you may benefit from them being keener to find economic solutions , that's what I've done with our 55 plate turbo.
Looked at replacing it earlier this year but trade value derisory so decided that:
Its full depreciated
Materials inlatercars( leather etc) seem inferior
The cost of replacement buys a huge amount of fuel and the newer car would still depreciate.
If you rent your cars it might be different

Tony

 

[NeilBplymouth]

Hi
We've run a 957 4.8S not turbo for 4 years, with air suspension and 20in rims summer, would definitely miss the air susp esp with the bigger rims on, ours came with after market 22in and it wasn't even too bad a ride on those. Ride height handy for loading and it's great when towing too. We service at a very respected indie, and and given the age of the car (09 plate) not expecting any great impact on eventual re-sale, would think that's even more the case the older the car gets.

Test drove a few diesels before we bought and unless you can get the V8 one I think you'll find the performance disappointing, esp after a Turbo; to me the diesel was OK steady state on Mways and dual carriageways, but just not enough get up and go for give and take roads. We live in Devon and you need a bit of grunt to get past tourists and caravans and the 3.0 diesel just doesn't have it. Plus unless it's a euro 6 diesel you may soon(ish)be limited in where you can take it and I'd be very wary about future residuals on any diesel; the market doesn't always respond logically and I wouldn't trust any government to make any sensible emissions legislation; such legislation may adversely affect market sentiment and diesel residuals even if your particular car isn't impacted by it. I understand that the diesel particulate filter can be problematic if you do lots of short journeys.

As a previous poster said if you know your car is in good shape you could buy an awful lot of fuel for the cost of swapping and end if you are unlucky with a less reliable car.

Neil

 

[Brownridge]

Go to an indie.
At the age of the car, regardless of mileage your not going to impact the value and you may benefit from them being keener to find economic solutions , that's what I've done with our 55 plate turbo.
Looked at replacing it earlier this year but trade value derisory so decided that:
Its full depreciated
The cost of replacement buys a huge amount of fuel and the newer car would still depreciate.
If you rent your cars it might be different

Tony

Totally agree Tony- the market is frightened of low MPG vehicles so the value of them is cheap as chips. As you say, the incessant drive by Manufacturers (and their dealers ) to get you to buy a newer car is all about them keeping their production lines working at optimal line efficiency (and therefore maximising their production profits). The margins that Manufacturers and Dealers make mean that customers pay for their nice facilities and free Lattes. Depreciation is the biggest single running cost and if you look any any period, the depreciation costs compared to the incremental savings of doing 40mph in a diesel vs 20mpg in a turbo is soon paid for by my £5000 car not losing more than a few hundreds of ££ a year- Worst it can lose is £5,000 whereas buy any new Cayenne and you will lose £16,000 in VAT the moment you drive it out of the showroom (let alone the dealer margin - probably another £8,000). Diesel is a higher cost at the pump and general servicing costs are higher for a Diesel as well.

Then there is the whole Ecology argument ( yes I appreciate that turbos are not "green") but the costs to the earth of mining the Iron Ore to make the steel, mining the Oil and refining it to make the plastic in the car, cows being killed to get the leather etc are a sunk cost. Running a used car means none of those activities are needed compared to buying a new car where everything has to be created. Of course all cars need fuel, tyres, brake discs and pads as used so both are largely equal on that front.

All things to be weighed up and in the end it may come to concerns about reliability or wanting to have the latest and greatest on your drive to impress the neighbours if thats important.

Just putting that point of view out there []