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DivineE
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At least we are discussing/debating speed matters in our 20-30year old classics. Before it became such a taboo subject in the last 10 years, speed of performance cars used to be something admired and respected. I remember as a child the whole family opening the windows in our crummy estate and 'ahhh ing' in harmony as a Ferrari shot up behind us and then blasted past on a back road.
Personally I think it's fantastic to know our cars are still being driven and enjoyed in the right mindset. It may have to be mainly whispered in secret nowadays but Porsche still stands for 'racing not posing' to me. Therefore any car that's pretty quick and likely to give it a try, should you meet one on the road or track, is of discussable interest to me. Even a Subaru.
Style, comfort and quality all have their place in my judgement of a car but sure as hell nothing beats that feeling when you open the taps and the car in your mirror disappears
For me the first memory that comes to mind involves a 10 min drive in a Promax level 2 250 turbo and a chance meeting with an Audi S2 who had a strong desire to pass us out of a roundabout.[]
In fact without thinking too hard about it (because YES I know), watch this clip my Skyline owning friend showed me and tell me how it makes you feel when it comes on boost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zXer0HPcc
..0.46 onwards, that's feeling right there.
Personally I think it's fantastic to know our cars are still being driven and enjoyed in the right mindset. It may have to be mainly whispered in secret nowadays but Porsche still stands for 'racing not posing' to me. Therefore any car that's pretty quick and likely to give it a try, should you meet one on the road or track, is of discussable interest to me. Even a Subaru.
Style, comfort and quality all have their place in my judgement of a car but sure as hell nothing beats that feeling when you open the taps and the car in your mirror disappears
For me the first memory that comes to mind involves a 10 min drive in a Promax level 2 250 turbo and a chance meeting with an Audi S2 who had a strong desire to pass us out of a roundabout.[]In fact without thinking too hard about it (because YES I know), watch this clip my Skyline owning friend showed me and tell me how it makes you feel when it comes on boost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zXer0HPcc
..0.46 onwards, that's feeling right there.
Gotta admit that I do like to asses the performance of other vehicles on the road. I was pleased when my 951 out gunned an E46 M3 out of a roundabout, the guy wouldn't pull over for me though . I've not been taught a lesson in my 951 yet but I'm sure that day will come .
Had a nice experience in my current car which is a battered and ageing Mercedes 190E with a 3.0 6 pot in it. Gave a chap in an E36 M3 a good run, don't think he expected the pace that car can launch with, its got great low down torque and about 190Bhp. He even laughed when we were parked at lights too lol.
. I've not been taught a lesson in my 951 yet but I'm sure that day will come .Had a nice experience in my current car which is a battered and ageing Mercedes 190E with a 3.0 6 pot in it. Gave a chap in an E36 M3 a good run, don't think he expected the pace that car can launch with, its got great low down torque and about 190Bhp
. He even laughed when we were parked at lights too lol.
poprock
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This thread's fascinating. I've had the use of tuned Scoobys as company cars for the last eight years or so. The modern ones are very fast, the classic ones were more fun to drive. Neither put a smile on my face like the 944 series do. I find that I don't feel as connected to the road in a Subaru and that's much more important to me than any 0""60 figures.
Trevor68
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Loving this thread too! []
To add my two cents... I'd been following an early WRX through Weeton at an orderly 30 and the driver was smiling in his rear view and indicating we should go for it at the 'go go' sign. So I'd dropped into second and at the sign proceeded to floor it. Instant nonchalant response from the S2 and that lovely boxer growl from the Scooby swamping the four pot as the Porka closed in on his back bumper all the way up to the redline requiring a quick backing off of the throttle, then he moved away a bit before my change into third was complete and I was closing in on him again. Then the audible safety alarm kicked in and I had to slow down. Anyway, he was certainly going for it and was far from faster. Of course, it could have been standard or poorly tuned but regardless of that, I'd expected to get 'owned' and simply didn't. Surprised and pleased.
The same opportunity hasn't presented itself whilst I've been in the 951 but I did give it a go from the lights, me with a rolling start, against a stationary E60 M5, purely in the name of testing the theory. Bloody hell! That thing was quick, it streamed past me like I was in some eco tin box before disappearing into the distance with that fantastic V10 howl.
I've been a passenger in and driven a few Subaru's, EVO's, and others, some much faster than my 951 but none of them have had that air of being an event or being connected to the road that the 944 has. The only thing that has come close, and I admit it could be through rose tinted glases as I was just a young 'un, was the original E30 M3 a mates dad dropped us off at the football in once. Ahhh.
]To add my two cents... I'd been following an early WRX through Weeton at an orderly 30 and the driver was smiling in his rear view and indicating we should go for it at the 'go go' sign. So I'd dropped into second and at the sign proceeded to floor it. Instant nonchalant response from the S2 and that lovely boxer growl from the Scooby swamping the four pot as the Porka closed in on his back bumper all the way up to the redline requiring a quick backing off of the throttle, then he moved away a bit before my change into third was complete and I was closing in on him again. Then the audible safety alarm kicked in and I had to slow down. Anyway, he was certainly going for it and was far from faster. Of course, it could have been standard or poorly tuned but regardless of that, I'd expected to get 'owned' and simply didn't. Surprised and pleased.
The same opportunity hasn't presented itself whilst I've been in the 951 but I did give it a go from the lights, me with a rolling start, against a stationary E60 M5, purely in the name of testing the theory. Bloody hell! That thing was quick, it streamed past me like I was in some eco tin box before disappearing into the distance with that fantastic V10 howl.
I've been a passenger in and driven a few Subaru's, EVO's, and others, some much faster than my 951 but none of them have had that air of being an event or being connected to the road that the 944 has. The only thing that has come close, and I admit it could be through rose tinted glases as I was just a young 'un, was the original E30 M3 a mates dad dropped us off at the football in once. Ahhh.
Copperman05
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Of course I would never race my car on a public road, no never sir, honest....
Shame on you!
Edd
Shame on you!
Edd
Hilux
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ORIGINAL: Suffolk944
Threads such as this are always based on very subjective evidence - especially when the encounters are on the public road. You will never know how hard "the other guy" was trying, [
Absolutely agree.
Road racing is just willy waving
Having said that on a greasy (not wet) track EVO`s and Scooby`s drive train computers are tricked and they all spin after a bend when accelerating. If you dont believe me ask their owners.
However on dry or soaking wet surfaces then they are a match for most cars when well driven
robwils
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Fascinating to read some of the responses, I know a bit about soobs having owned a few. My last one was a WR1 which had 320bhp, 0-60 quoted as 4.25secs and 0-100 as 10.7 (I think).
which I think is pretty admirable for a car at that sort of cost.
Truth is there's so many variants you never know what your really up against and as you say depends how fast your prepared to go (140 is just plain stupid if you ask me).
So I'd have let you past long before we got to this LOL[]
Can't wait to get my current little runabout mapped and then seek out a battered old lux and see if I can put up a thread saying "my DIESEL VRS blitzed a 944".[][]
Seriously though, love the 944's and still hanker after owning one, but give scoobs there due.
Remember one day you will get taught your lesson [] there's (nearly) always someone faster.
Rob
which I think is pretty admirable for a car at that sort of cost.
Truth is there's so many variants you never know what your really up against and as you say depends how fast your prepared to go (140 is just plain stupid if you ask me).
So I'd have let you past long before we got to this LOL[
]Can't wait to get my current little runabout mapped and then seek out a battered old lux and see if I can put up a thread saying "my DIESEL VRS blitzed a 944".[
][]Seriously though, love the 944's and still hanker after owning one, but give scoobs there due.
Remember one day you will get taught your lesson [
] there's (nearly) always someone faster.Rob
it was a classic shape in very very good nick with an exhaust you could fit your leg in.
there was no variable at all 1st 2nd 3rd equal by 1/2 way through 4th I pulled away and in 5th gear which I'm sure he would have been in I pulled away even more.
I've owned a prodrive sti 6 speed and think that would have too much for me but this thing was outgunned by superior top speed grunt pure and simple.
I simply felt happy that my 944T still had enough horses to prove to me it's still in godd fettle
there was no variable at all 1st 2nd 3rd equal by 1/2 way through 4th I pulled away and in 5th gear which I'm sure he would have been in I pulled away even more.
I've owned a prodrive sti 6 speed and think that would have too much for me but this thing was outgunned by superior top speed grunt pure and simple.
I simply felt happy that my 944T still had enough horses to prove to me it's still in godd fettle
Diver944
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Regardless, I know I would much rather have my 944 than any over-computerised Japanese Playstation-on-wheels. [
and lets not forget that the previous owner of your car (Davyboy) sold his own Impreza to buy a 944T because he was sick of being out dragged by 944T's up the long climb of Kesselchen at the Nordschleife [
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charlieb
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I have too had a few encountersin my 250 turbo. Its toally standard. Firstly was a mitsi evo. he haired past me on a back road - giving it full bore, flames etc, I knew the road well so stayed about 100 yards off him and he didnt pull away - he was all over the place. clearly not a good driver. but fun nonetheless keeping up with a performance saloon.
had a motorway pull up to about 120 abroad against a 996 cab - pretty much neck and neck and again a 996 C2 - broadly similar.
I think they key thing is that - the imprezzas evos etc are rally bred performance saloons - ours are classic sports performance coupes. comparing against the contemporarys there are not many coupes in the late 80's early 90's that could hold a candle to a 951 (even compared in house a 911 turbo was only really marginally quicker) and even now the benchmark cars are not a great degree quicker either (370z, Cayman, Z4 coupe etc). 0-60 doesnt represent the 951's real world performance. From 50-90 on full boost they are still a very car quick indeed.
To get markedly quicker with a similar package you are still looking at straddling the divide from sports car to supercar in my eyes. There is only so fast you can drive these things after all!
I have driven quite a few cars, imprezza P1 included, obviously quicker, however the only one that really felt a great degree (in this case otherworldly) quicker is my dads tuned griff 500. That thing is so quick it made me feel sick. Re calibrated my conceptions of how fast a road car could be.
I still remember the first time I full bored my 951 - I dont remember much about the drive in the imprezza..
Cheers
had a motorway pull up to about 120 abroad against a 996 cab - pretty much neck and neck and again a 996 C2 - broadly similar.
I think they key thing is that - the imprezzas evos etc are rally bred performance saloons - ours are classic sports performance coupes. comparing against the contemporarys there are not many coupes in the late 80's early 90's that could hold a candle to a 951 (even compared in house a 911 turbo was only really marginally quicker) and even now the benchmark cars are not a great degree quicker either (370z, Cayman, Z4 coupe etc). 0-60 doesnt represent the 951's real world performance. From 50-90 on full boost they are still a very car quick indeed.
To get markedly quicker with a similar package you are still looking at straddling the divide from sports car to supercar in my eyes. There is only so fast you can drive these things after all!
I have driven quite a few cars, imprezza P1 included, obviously quicker, however the only one that really felt a great degree (in this case otherworldly) quicker is my dads tuned griff 500. That thing is so quick it made me feel sick. Re calibrated my conceptions of how fast a road car could be.
I still remember the first time I full bored my 951 - I dont remember much about the drive in the imprezza..
Cheers
poprock
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Nothing fancy! I'm a designer. We just happen to have petrolhead company directors. We always have one Scooby and one or two Mitsubishi pickups as company "˜pool' cars. In past years we've also had a wee fleet of Aprilia scooters and an Elise.
My favourites were the old-shape Scooby estates. We currently have a new shape STI, which I happily ragged out for a drive this morning while the sun was shining "¦ but I spent the whole drive wishing I was in my car instead.
I think maybe I just don't like modern cars very much "¦ the driving position feels wrong, the rear visibility is awful, the accelerator is on a hair trigger "¦ I dunno, I just don't feel as happy as I do in the '44. In contrast though, I've really enjoyed test drives in the Boxster Spyder and the 997 range. I seem to be okay with modern Porsches!
TTM
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Regardless, I know I would much rather have my 944 than any over-computerised Japanese Playstation-on-wheels. [
That's funny... though I'm a if-a-car-is-more-recent-than-the-mid-90s-then-it's-rubbish kind of person, I still regularly surprise myself stopping and looking at the latest Nissan GT-R when I see one. I would probably strongly dislike the weight, the light steering, the over sensitive throttle and brakes, and the overall dull feeling sweating from an overly efficient modern car, but I'd still like to drive one to find out.
Anyone on here driven one?
George Elliott
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Not yet[]
but i follow your logic.....
]but i follow your logic.....
DivineE
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I was lucky enough to have a few passenger laps in one at silverstone and then got out and immediately into a 996gt3 rs. No two cars in the same market could be more different.
Mechanical grip means nothing in the gtr, if your going fast then you are almost certainly cornering faster than the limits of the tires and feeling comes purely from the rumbling, groaning abs type sensation as the computers shuffle you around the bend at an unnatural feeling speed. The acceleration is like cd vs vinyl. Its a perfect, digital, relentless surge from rest until braking.
I cannot imagine any car being better, or further from my tastes.
Getting in the gt3 was like a breath of fresh air in comparison. Mechanical grip, balance, poise and delicacy is everything. It felt as raw a driving experience as you can get. nothing was disguised, just man and machine alone.
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