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[ever88]

Very embarrassing to admit but it pleased me so
Last Sunday I had an IMPREZA 2" off my bumper and driving like a right n*b trying to get passed in busy traffic leaving the town. Joining the motorway he cut lanes behind me getting ready to shoot up inside and undertake So I'm ashamed to admit it but made life difficult for him by going about my own business with 20% more throttle than usual. This turned into a bit of a race for a about a mile on the motorway before I pulled off at my junction. I look back on it and can see it was not sensible and no better than he but was glowing inside to see that I could pull away from him. I bet he was not expecting that I thought to myself.

 

[robwright]

I eat Scoobys for breakfast []

 

[robwils]

so what type of impreza was it ???[8|]
classic, bugeye, blobeye, hawkeye ??

Bit of a general statement really - like me saying I eat 944's when I may have raced a lux not a turbo !!!

Really I expect this over on some other forums but thought we'd have more mature owners LOL.[]

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[944 man]

Hmmm. Point to point even a (lowly) UK model 2000 Turbo will show a clean pair of heels to any 951.

 

[ever88]

around a bend or on back rds I would not even dare challenge one but he was close for a bit but fell away later.

a lowly 2000 Uk model doesn't have the bhp or the torque of a 944 turbo so I'm not quite with you on that one 944 man.

by the way (I'm not refering to prodrive new item)

 

[944 man]

My user-name on most car forums is GC8 - Im confident that I know more than most about UK and JDM model Imprezas. I have also owned an M758 951, when it was still a relatively new car. Remember too that the majority of classic Imprezas were more powerful than the Turbo S.

 

[George Elliott]

"Never" is a long time, and "any" is a lot of 951's

not quite with you either

for what its worth I drove my first subaru in 1979 and my first 4wd one in 1982, and various turbo's up to a litchfield since. the last one I encountered was filling the mirror of my 951 in second and 3rd, but after 2 seconds in 4th there was a cloud of blue smoke behind and a subaru going towards the hard shoulder.

George

 

[DavidL]

My wife runs a 56 plate wrx wagon and I have used this as a benchmark for my 951.
There is obviously less lag in the scooby which gives the impression that it does not accelerate as well but I imagine it will have disappeared up the road before my turbo spoils up. I think I'd start to catch gradually mind. On a motorway drag it would be a pretty close thing.
Personally for what it cost the scooby is a fab car to have and drive, I like it alot. I tried to justify a run out model (GB270) but they only made 100 wagons and they still command a premium of nearly 50%. The performance increase is easily made up for a lot less money.
Its just a shame we shall have to go elsewhere next time now the body shape has changed but it'll be a while yet fortunately.

 

[DivineE]

Really... really ..REALLY?!! So many people agreeing that a Scooby would dust a 944 turbo?! I have one at the moment (as a matter of fact it will be for sale from Sat as my car is now back on the road).

Mine is the lowly 2000 turbo version (slightly modified to 240hp -dyno'd-) but I've driven many other models including one very seriously tuned Sti version 3 and even a brand new Sti they all have terrible power bands/power delivery, plus an engine service life equivilent to a 944 owners oil service interval.. often shorter if running over 300hp. I'm certain a standard 220 turbo would give a WRX a serious run for its money on any road if both cars were driven well.

I'm not saying the Subaru is a bad handling car, its very good actually (especially in terms of quick direction changes) and the brakes are WAY better than a 944 but I really can't see it dusting one, not on any road. My bum tells me a good chipped 250 turbo with an LSD should smoke anything but the fastest of Sti's.

I wonder if there is a comparison somewhere online with lap times? I'd be interested to know.

 

[944Turbo]

Not in my experience either, Prodrive Bugeye, Ok - entertaining in its way, but my wife - not known for her mechanical or driving finesse - could feel it pulling itself straight from the passenger seat, it was all too easy. Wasn't as fast as my 944 either despite similar power, decided the 4wd hardware must waste some, the way the panels bent when you sneezed near them it cant be heavier?
Tony

 

[944Turbo]

Also the EVO 8 at Silverstone, at that stage, generally better thought of than the scooby, that pulled out between me and the 996T I had been lapping with for about 10 laps, proceeded to A) hold me up and then after 3 laps or so as the 996 started to pull away it ended up in the gravel trap in the stadium section - I was quite impressed with the way it got out again - less so when it deposited gravel all over the next braking area - but at least I was in front by then.
Tony

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

My user-name on most car forums is GC8 - Im confident that I know more than most.

EFA.

 

[JamesBall]

I have only had one jostle with a Classic Impreza. No idea what model it was - they all the same to me - but we were pretty much neck and neck accelerating to "significant" speeds. He certainly didn't show me a clean pair of heals. And mine is a lowly 220bhp Turbo.

 

[robwright]

MIne experience was with a flame spitting modified thing. Tailpipe about 3 foot wide. You know the ones. Was a dual carriageway drag from around forty mph and was of his chosing not mine I hasten to add. He eventually gave up at around 140. Just before I was going to for common sense sake and not because I ran out of puff lol.

 

[Suffolk944]

Threads such as this are always based on very subjective evidence - especially when the encounters are on the public road. You will never know how hard "the other guy" was trying, whether he was changing gear at optimum times on maximum attack or just having a bit of a play...

Similarly track based encounters must surely also have a fair degree of driver skill input involved.

Regardless, I know I would much rather have my 944 than any over-computerised Japanese Playstation-on-wheels. []

 

[ukmastiff]

I was 'raced' on a public road not that long ago by a Suburu that was like a rocket ship, It was definately quicker than the car I was driving ( a 944 turbo).
However the whole point of which car was quicker rapidly became completely irelevent because as soon as I realised he was a brainless idiot and not a fellow enthusiast wanting a sensible/testing little pulling contest I just braked settled down and let him disappear off to risk killing someone else as opposed to me.

Does it really matter ? , we drive beaufitul classic cars and they have chav mobiles, how can you compare beauty and the beast.

Sorry if you own one ( as should you be also lol) but ask your mum or your uncle what they look like going down the road. I have taken some classic pictures on my phone of
'classy Subaru's' just to chear myself up []

Mas

 

[Lowtimer]

There are so many variables.

On the roads, depends on how illegal someone is prepared to be. On the track, depends on which track, which Scooby and which 944 Turbo, and who's driving, and the conditions (wet / dry etc).

Straight line acceleration, I would expect any 4wd turbo Impreza to smoke a 944 up to 30 mph due to the 4wd. I can only find three sets of good figures for UK spec cars, and they don't provide 0-30 figures but the 60 - 100 figures probably give a good guide to performance further up the speed range.

Autocar road test 0-60 and 0-100 figures, with calculated 60-100 :

April 1994: Subaru Impreza 2.0 Turbo 4WD: 0-60 in 5.8; 0-100 in 18.7; 60-100 in 12.9
December 2005: Impreza 2.5 WRX STi Type-UK: 0-60 in 5.1; 0-100 in 12.6; 60-100 in 7.5
March 2008 Subaru Impreza 2.5 WRX STI: 0-60 in 5.2; 0-100 in 12.9; 60-100 in 7.7

A 220 944 Turbo and a 968 CS both generally tested at around 0-60 6 sec, 0-100 15ish. so 60-100 in around 9.
A standard 250 is probably 0-100 in around 13.5, 60-100 in around 8.

Tuned cars of either camp - it's all down to the individual car.I liked the early Subarus because they were understated and very quick across country, and at the outset no-one really know what they were. It was like an Escort RS Cosworth without all the shouty looks. Later I lost the taste in them because they started looking garish and obvious (a bit like the current Focus RS).

 

[zcacogp]

Pfft! A bunch of 951 owners all debating whether a scooby is quicker or slower than a 944turbo, eh? Who'da thunk it?

I find that scoobys slow me down something rotten in my S2. They get caught in the air filter which spoils the engine breathing and you have to stop to scrape them all out ...


Oli.

 

[bumperblue]

Oli, Just what i was thinking and they havent even got onto the affects of colour on speed.

By the way the fastest colour is .......... Colbalt Blue

 

[Fat Albert]

I had a 2006 2.5 WRX and I have also driven a 2.0 STi on track. The WRX was a quicker car for day-day driving than the STi as it was quicker to spin up and you didn't have to worry about boost management, the STi was as bad as my old modified SAAB 9000 Aero for lag. My Wife loved the WRX and found the performance very accessible.
A friend of mine sold his 993 and went into a 2006 2.5 WRX a couple of years ago, but he too found it boringly easy to drive and sold it again within 6 months (now got a Honda CRV and a TVR Chimera!)

What I tend to do with these road tussles, is to pull over and let them past, and then sit behind them whilst they demonstrate their shortcomings in the car/driver department. This way they will never now how much faster yours is, but they will no that you are at least as fast, they will also handily clear the road ahead for you.

My favourite is to pull over in the approach to a roundabout, let them overtake you, but then out brake them and drive around the outside so they have to overtake you again after the roundabout (used to do that a lot to BMW & Passat diesels in my Subaru Legacy)