How future classic??!
- Thread starter davidcross
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Third dealer with it .... opportunity for someone .... can't understand why has not sold, is it an original car? I am sure it is .....
I'm convinced that when a perfectly decent car has not sold for a while punters think there must be summat wrong with it -I see this a lot with auction cars that trail to and from various auctions in the hopes of a sale -the car then gets 'known' and it's avoided.........[8|]
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] Great isnt it! It looks like a good car - and good value for someone. Any buyer just needs to rely on an inspection from someone in the know! Mind you, now its on PH - it will get the PH thread of death! Got to love some of those! There is a great one running on a lovely track 964, with some pretty strong history, but all laid bare. People have gone after it, like its the seed of the devil!
Edited fur spilling.........MS
] Great isnt it! It looks like a good car - and good value for someone. Any buyer just needs to rely on an inspection from someone in the know! Mind you, now its on PH - it will get the PH thread of death! Got to love some of those! There is a great one running on a lovely track 964, with some pretty strong history, but all laid bare. People have gone after it, like its the seed of the devil!Edited fur spilling.........MS
I did quite a few trackdays with Matt including plenty of laps out on track in both our cars. Without wishing to be harsh in any way Matt's silver car was of the well used variety. It was an honest car but there was plenty of evidence of ill-matching paint (or panel?) repair, it tended to creak and groan more than normal which I thought may be down to the big cage and it did not feel like it had the claimed 330bhp. By contrast I thought his yellow Altzen car was ace in every way and a bargain when it sold.
Back to the silver car, one of the subsequent owners or dealers may have smartened it up but even then it was unlikely to become one of the better cars out there. Just my opinion, no offence intended.
Ian
Back to the silver car, one of the subsequent owners or dealers may have smartened it up but even then it was unlikely to become one of the better cars out there. Just my opinion, no offence intended.
Ian
Like a bit of groaning personally ..... []
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davidcross
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I'm beginning to realise here it's a bit of a minefield but if I had a 964rs I'd be encouraging others to buy current 964rs's that are on the mkt to help inflate the price for future values.
davidcross
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Haha very good Chris, I wish I'd 'seen the light' 7 yrs ago when they were half their current values!
We are kind of preaching to the converted posting on the porsche clubs 964 RS forum - dont you think? I think most people will expect a biased opinion from us lot. []. Its worth noting that the Altzen car is not a standard car. It was a team built race car based on an RS with a 3.3 Turbo engine (if my memory serves me right?), I think that differentiates it from most of our standard cars. Currently that means that market things it is worth less, however, over time and with proven race history - which must be out there, I think that will reverse.
As for inflating current prices, its largely only Des that buys and sells []. But for what its worth clubsports in shocking colours are clearly worth more / are faster etc. etc. []. But I need to keep saying that a lot, as I cant see me selling in the next decade.
]. Its worth noting that the Altzen car is not a standard car. It was a team built race car based on an RS with a 3.3 Turbo engine (if my memory serves me right?), I think that differentiates it from most of our standard cars. Currently that means that market things it is worth less, however, over time and with proven race history - which must be out there, I think that will reverse. As for inflating current prices, its largely only Des that buys and sells [
]. But for what its worth clubsports in shocking colours are clearly worth more / are faster etc. etc. []. But I need to keep saying that a lot, as I cant see me selling in the next decade.Encouraging new buyers to the RS fold is all well and good but it would be preferable to steer them towards a good and rewarding car that would create positive feedback in the long term.. This would tend to enhance values over time whereas encouraging owners to buy a poorer car equals disgruntled owners who wonder what all the fuss is about and generate bad press which pushes people towards GT3's and hurts values.
Ian
Ian
The point with the silver car was it looked good in the advert and was well-priced so the encouragement was, "Go and have a look, get it checked out and if it all adds up then snap it up."
IMO all owners of 64RSs on here have offered useful advice and obviously we're all enthusiastic about the cars (it's why we're on here). Most of the cars in the UK are known to the forum members, but occasionally one or two slip through the net and it takes someone who has seen the car recently to share his view.
As for inflating the prices, do people honestly think 10 - 15 people posting on this forum can really have such an effect on the global prices of 964RSs? I think you're giving us more credit than we deserve (except Des of course, he deserves more credit than he gets). []
IMO all owners of 64RSs on here have offered useful advice and obviously we're all enthusiastic about the cars (it's why we're on here). Most of the cars in the UK are known to the forum members, but occasionally one or two slip through the net and it takes someone who has seen the car recently to share his view.
As for inflating the prices, do people honestly think 10 - 15 people posting on this forum can really have such an effect on the global prices of 964RSs? I think you're giving us more credit than we deserve (except Des of course, he deserves more credit than he gets). [
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Steve Brookes
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As for inflating the prices, do people honestly think 10 - 15 people posting on this forum can really have such an effect on the global prices of 964RSs? I think you're giving us more credit than we deserve (except Des of course, he deserves more credit than he gets). [
YES! Those of us who can't afford one...hold you lot entirely responsible!!! [
][]Ian, I respect your view of the car, but knowing Matt, was there anything it needed that he didn't do to it ?
I'm not sure if I ever rode in it, but it always looked a nice car to me --- and low miles.
It has 993 induction and has been rolling roaded at well over 325 BHP (I believe at Wayne Schofield's Chip Wizards) --- ask Melv if this makes any difference, he has it on his Cup. Plus the original induction ....
Nobody expects it to sell at garage queen money ... but at £20k less as a car to enjoy ? How much more is that than a good re-creation ?
Regarding the Jurgen Alzen, he spent almost five figures on it ....
Chris
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