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ORIGINAL: John Sims

Guys the design is probably 25+ years old. Compare the 944 to cars of a similar time (if you can find any) and it becomes apparent how good the design really was. We all fall into the trap of comparing the 944 to modern cars and it isn't really fair. I would have to suggest there is no car of a similar age that seems as contemporary as the 944.

Good point - it doesn't have any cup-holders, and there isn't really enough room to hang a suit from those little clothes hanger hooks.
 
I always prefered to lay a suit carrier over luggage on the load deck. No cup holder didnt worry me in my early twenties but it occasionally has since, so I have fitted a cup holder.

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Had this not been available then Id have bought a pair of plastic holders which hang on the door for pennies.
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-DRINK-CUP-CAN-HOLDER-TO-FIT-CAR-VAN-DOOR-WINDOW-FRAME-LORRY-TRUCK-GREY-NEW-/321147397144?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ac5e06418
 
Bonnet catch on the left as they could not be arsed moving it over.
Rear wiper (when fitted) sweeps for LHD cars
Crap dashboard and control lighting
Bloody oil filter (Upside Down)
5 bolts holding the starter motor heat shield on (turbo) when 3 would do the job but i suppose it is over engineering, same goes for the brake servo heat shield [:mad:]
Bloody DME relays !
Unserviceable routing of the rear fuel lines.
Turbo air intake nicely routed into the NS wing waiting to scoop up a large puddle and hydraulic the engine [:(]
 
Actually the conventional place for the bonnet release on any car is the passenger side. You don't want to be reaching in to open the bonnet with traffic going by.
 
John, should not have to reach in you can get it from the seat, but i do see your point.
 
The fixings for the rear number plate lights been a while but I seem to recall they are about m2 x 75mm? fine thread.


The fact the cab roof cannot be lowered with the engine running putting load on the battery before you drive anywhere

Tony
 
When you change from a Black car after 4 years, to a (faster) red car, it takes ages to get used to the red trailing edge of the bonnet thru the windscreen above the dash. It should have been blacked out.

otherwise they are perfect [:)]

George
944t
 
As the battery is in the boot, and as you are unable to open the boot with a flat battery without climbing through the car and tugging on the cables, getting the car moving again requires back breaking levels of flexibility.

The location of the air filter is another favourite of mine.
 
Why on earth do you have to remove the whole front engine end ,just to replace the water pump--am just completing the the job on my wifes 924S-Ok it was due cam & balance shaft belts which after probably 6 yrs running are still in perfect condition-no rubber degradation or slightest hint of tooth cracking.Had to modify a disc grinder spanner by cutting down between the 2 pins ,forcing forks apart,then welding up,to crack the balance pulley shrouds-also had to buy a new very long breaker bar to crack the crankshaft pulley--seemed to have been threadlock used on it.
Replacing,just pretightened with said bar,then transferred to the torque wrench-increasing in 20 Nm increments from 150Nm-amazingly without having applied any effort to the breaker bar (when compared to removing) it was already up to the torque figure.
Makeshift flywheel clamp of 20 X3 mm steel flat in the last tooth clamped against the starter casing with my original large set of Mole pliers worked extremely well.(phew!)
 

ORIGINAL: MarkK

944s are superb and have no faults at all.

Hear Hear Mark.

They go like stink, corner on rails and brake like an anchor is out the back.

Anything else is superfluous and not worth worrying about
 
As the battery is in the boot, and as you are unable to open the boot with a flat battery without climbing through the car and tugging on the cables, getting the car moving again requires back breaking levels of flexibility.

Can't you boost it through the terminal in the engine bay? [8|]
 
Where I parked was impossible to hook another car up, I had no spare battery and only have a basic Ctek charger. I hoped there was some magic way to do it though!

Love my Volvo too. The alternator melted, frying the battery. Asked my dad to tow it to a garage, but no way to remove the steering lock without power! Hook my dads battery up (car was dead by roadside) and fried his battery. Thanks to volvo for an expensive mechanic call out and 2 new batteries!
 
I think water pump access is quite good. A lot of fwd cars you need to take an engine mount off to do the belts and go in through the wheel arch. 944 access is good if you take the radiator fans off. Modern audis you need to take the whole front of the car off to change a belt!
My complaint is the steel studs going into the waterways of an ali block.
Snapped stud equals nightmare.

Surely someone has mentioned the crazy chain drive on 16v models?

Otherwise it's a pretty fantastic design, only some small improvements we can suggest with 30 years of hindsight...
 

ORIGINAL: chrisjcoe

Where I parked was impossible to hook another car up, I had no spare battery and only have a basic Ctek charger. I hoped there was some magic way to do it though!

Love my Volvo too. The alternator melted, frying the battery. Asked my dad to tow it to a garage, but no way to remove the steering lock without power! Hook my dads battery up (car was dead by roadside) and fried his battery. Thanks to volvo for an expensive mechanic call out and 2 new batteries!

No! You misunderstand Chris. It isnt a jump starting point - if you try you will set the car on fire!

The purpose of the underbonnet positive terminal is to allow the connection of a low amperage power source which will enable you to use the electro-mechanical hatch lock and access the battery.

The wires connected arent nearly robust enough to carry sufficient current to turn the car over and will overheat and melt their insulation very quickly.
 
ORIGINAL: 944 man


ORIGINAL: chrisjcoe

Where I parked was impossible to hook another car up, I had no spare battery and only have a basic Ctek charger. I hoped there was some magic way to do it though!

Love my Volvo too. The alternator melted, frying the battery. Asked my dad to tow it to a garage, but no way to remove the steering lock without power! Hook my dads battery up (car was dead by roadside) and fried his battery. Thanks to volvo for an expensive mechanic call out and 2 new batteries!

No! You misunderstand Chris. It isnt a jump starting point - if you try you will set the car on fire!

The purpose of the underbonnet positive terminal is to allow the connection of a low amperage power source which will enable you to use the electro-mechanical hatch lock and access the battery.

The wires connected arent nearly robust enough to carry sufficient current to turn the car over and will overheat and melt their insulation very quickly.

I wouldn't know where to start with that anyway, so clambering through the car did it for me. Handy to know for the future though.
 
Its a small post under the drivers side windscreen, which originally had a blue cover on it. You can connect a loose battery, or one on another car using jump leads (+ve on there and -ve to the engine block), or you can connect a charger to the post if you have more time.

A reasonable charger will provide sufficient current to open the hatch lock, too.
 
So just for clarity - with a flat battery the key in the boot lock will NOT unlock the boot?

Assuming I have understood correctly, I need to identify this terminal in the engine bay since with Recaro PP seats and a roll cage to get past crawling from the cabin into the boot simply isn't going to happen! (if I ever try I promise to video it!)

Cheers
Mick
 
Only for 1989 model year and onward cars. All cars up to and including 1988 model year 944s have a mechanical hatch lock, where you turn the key and a pawl operates a rod. 1989MY and later cars and 968s replaced this with an electro-mechanical lock where the key operates a microswitch.
 

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