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I might also add that the 987.2 (In whatever guise - 2.9 / 3.4 / R) rewards with a very directly-engaged ‘analogue’ feel to it, which my (albeit limited seat time) 981 experience didn’t convey - as much as the 981S was a lovely car to drive and no doubt would be a superb long distance sports car for eg highland flings and euro-trips, for me it had a slightly ‘synthesised‘ feel with a sense of a ‘layer of detachment’ through its EPAS rack.

Interestingly the 718 with its ‘next gen’ EPAS has a return of that ‘analogue’ steering feel that the 987s hydraulic rack has in abundance.

To state the obvious - you’ll only be able to develop your own opinion to aid your decision with some seat time in each.

im in Bucks if that’s anywhere near you and you wanted a ride out in mine sometime.

Jason

 
Windy_Miller said:
Option 1 - a Renault

Option 2 - a Porsche

who had a Renault poster on their bedroom wall as a kid…..? 🤷‍♂️

😋😉

DISCLAIMER: only joshing, no offence intended to any resident Alpine / Renault motorsport product owning / driving folks on here 👍🏻

Without seeming pedantic, the Alpine A110 is not a Renault. There is not a Renault badge anywhere on the car. Sure, it uses some Renault mechanicals, eg the engine is from the Megane Trophy Cup, but the gearbox is a Getrag 7-speed dual clutch short close-ratio unit and the brakes are from Brembo. Apart from a few switchgear items the remainder of the Alpine A110 is bespoke Alpine. The car is made in Dieppe in France in a custom built factory. Renault own the name Alpine, as BMW do with the MINI brand. The Lotus designed double wishbone suspension is the most appealing thing about the A110, as is the all aluminium bodywork and chassis. Alpine are no different from Lotus in using major manufacturers power units.

Speaking from 12 years experience of Caymans, including the sublime CR manual and the superlative 718 GTS 2.5t PDK, the latter often derided by many, the 4-pot turbo is a deceptively quick car on the track. When I was doing track days, the 718 GTS 2.5t PDK outperformed many so-called faster cars, both 911's and GT4's. Caught them, passed them, and disappeared into the distance.

In my forum thread Life After Cayman, I rate the 2021 A110 Legende GT equal to the Cayman R for sheer handling poise and agility. The 718 GTS has more grip and grunt, but for driving enjoyment and pleasure on the roads in my locality, the Alpine A110 takes top marks. The A110's agility and poise is equal to any CR.

Brian

PS. No offence taken by the Renault jibes. I just thought it worth clarifying the A110 heritage.



 
Yes as much as love Porsches I must say that the Lotus Elise S1 that I owned for 10 yrs and used mainly for trackdays was a car far more suited to track work than the Porsches I have owned. The Lotus could be ragged to death all day long with no problems but after a good caning the Porsches seem to come into the pits with wheels, tyres and brakes absolutely red hot. Probably due to the extra power of the Porsche and the weight.

 
The Alpine A110 is up there with the best of the Caymans.

I'll reserve my opinion if it compares favourably with the GT Porsches after March 31st.

Brian

 
Not sure you can say that if you haven't owned a GT4 or GT4RS, Brian. Surely the best Caymans yet made?

My earlier comment was in response to the use of Caymans on track, mostly. The GT cars are more comparable to a Lotus in that regard, as it's what they're designed to do - drive to a track, hoon round it, then drive home again.

 
Always intrigues how threads wander off topic 😄🤭

Think we’re all agreed…

… there are many fine sports and track cars out there to be owned and driven (if only we each had infinite garages and endlessly deep pockets 😉). Some of them are not even Porsches (possible heresy on my part here 🤷‍♂️)!

…The (non-GT4 / non-R) cayman is not a dedicated/focussed track car. It is however a fine sports car in any of its incarnations (2.9 / S / F4T) that just so happens to be pretty capable, and a whole lotta fun, on track too.

But let us return to the OPs original question - is a manual R a ‘modern’ equivalent of the famed and fabled 964?

And thus, would he find himself having the same / similar ‘analogue’, visceral feel and experience (but with comfier seats and possibly climate control 😆) in an R as he is accustomed to in his 964?

Answers on a postcard too…

(I can’t comment - I’ve never driven a 964 😢)

 
I've never driven a 964 either, but I suspect the R is probably the best choice for the OP [:D]

 
Twinfan said:
I've never driven a 964 either, but I suspect the R is probably the best choice for the OP [:D]

Thank you!

The dealer I'm in contact with doesn't want to take my car in as a P/X because of the mileage.

If I sell it privately then I can buy the car, I just don't have the time at the moment.

 
Derailing the thread, sorry, but manual not PDK? I have a 718 S PDK, its literally the most amazing thing to drive, it handles like its on rails. I would be put off by manual....but of course we are all different:) Good luck with your purchase!

 
colin129 said:
Thanks for the responses guys, I'm still pretty fixed on the Cayman R manual, it's just about finding one which fits my budget.

I think you’ve made the right choice. If I could afford one, that‘s where I would put my money right now. good luck with finding the right R.

 
Uh-oh, potential whole can of ‘PDK vs manual’ worms just opened up right there…. 😯

Nevertheless, always a highly engaging topic to broach in these circles 😉

My 987.2 S is manual, and I love the interaction it brings, especially as my rev-matching heel’n’toe competence continues to improve.

However, my ‘ordered’ GTS4.0 is currently specced with PDK, for ‘future proofing’ against a dodgy hip, and I also think (though not yet test driven a PDK GTS4.0) it’s possibly the better transmission to ‘mate’ with that particular power plant, given its greater torque…..? 🤷‍♂️

Let’s see what perspectives are forthcoming 👍🏻

 
SGF2022 said:
Derailing the thread, sorry, but manual not PDK? I have a 718 S PDK, its literally the most amazing thing to drive, it handles like its on rails. I would be put off by manual....but of course we are all different:) Good luck with your purchase!

The manual Also handles like it's on rails ! (and is lighter so should handle better again) what's your point ?

 
I bought a Cayman R in February after spending most of lockdown researching what to buy. Initially was looking at a gen.1 Cayman S as they are cheap, but realised that spending the extra 10K on a gen.2 would be the right thing to do, eliminating any possible IMS or bore scoring issues and having a much better engine and slightly improved interior.

I then popped into Porsche Stockport to test drive a high spec 981 Boxster (as a second car I really wanted a droptop, but every time I've gone to buy one I end up with a coupe) and while there they had a Gen.2 Cayman 2.9 in mint condition. Drove both, loved the looks and interior of the more modern 981, however the gen.2 987 just felt like a much more engaging car to drive and I actually preferred the more old school interior (that central console in post 981/991/992/718 Porsches looks great, but I feel it gets in the way and the buttons are a distraction) I'm not a car driving expert, but I guess the analogue feel of the gen.2 987 came through, but you still have the newer DFI engine that's in the 981.

So fast forward a few months of looking on Auto Trader and Friends Green Porsche. Started to consider a 996 4S as I think they have become a real classic, or possibly a 997.1 but then a Cayman R comes up on FGP website at an affordable price, 15K less than all other Cayman R's. Why, because it had 98k miles, no bucket seats and PDK. However it was in Platinum Silver which looks stunning and had had an absolutely impeccable service history, with the previous owner having just replaced all the suspension with Öhlins Road & Track suspension, GT3 master brake cylinder and braided hoses. I could afford this, Porsche buyers get so hung up on milage, but modern cars last for ever if well maintained and Porsches even more so. If I had bought a Gen.2 Cayman S I would have wanted to change the alloys, lower the suspension, tweak the ECU, tweak the breaks. All these things are already done on the R, plus it has the extra downforce and the slip diff. It was a no brainer and I absolutely love this car, honestly I don't see what I could replace it with for £30k. Not even an R8 which I did consider. I was tempted by a 996 4S but the Cayman R is a modern car I can use every day, where as the 996 is pushing 20 years old. It's unbelievably fast and the handling is sublime. Yes a manual would be better but I'm pushing 50 and probably will keep this car 10 years, so the PDK suits me and is excellent for those long road trips that last the whole day. It gets noticed too, popped to Caffeine & Machine and it's great to have people taking photos of your car. Yes a GT4 maybe better and my dream car would be a 981 Spyder, but these are both now over £75k same with a 991 Targa. All the other R's are in the £40k mark too. So I probably have the highest milage Cayman R in the country, but it fits my budget and I feel very lucky.

And on a side note, my friend bought an immaculate 997.1 S for the same money, had a bore score check, had immaculate service history. Spent £4k on it straight away he had done only 600 miles in it over a few months. I met up with him in my R and he started to get white smoke out of the left exhaust (so problem with the right cylinders) loss off coolant. Yep major engine rebuild for £14k. So he would have been better spending an extra £10k for a gen.2 with the DFI engine. Really felt for him, it's still getting repaired 6 weeks on.

I also feel that the 987's will become a true classic over time. Like the 996 everyone hated it at first. The original Cayman was always joked at as the poor man's 911 or a girls car, which is a joke really. It's a mid engined, 2 seater, light weight Porsche. It's as if you have all the attributes of a Lotus but with a flat 6 and German engineering FFS. The curves are stunning, the lights still have that original frog light look, which went with the 981. You have a naturally aspirated 3.4 DFI engine, analogue steering, stunning curves and with the R a very rare car.

 
Welcome to the forum Luke!

A top purchase … well done, and enjoy the new car. On such a high mileage car just make sure that you keep the PDK transmission well maintained.

Jeff

 
Thank you, hope to keep up to date on Porsche meets on here.

Also thanks for the info on the PDK, wasn't aware of any issues, probably too focused on engine issues.

Luke.

 
Welcome Luke

Attached info. may be of interest

An `R` was my first `owned` Porsche, not my favourite though [8|] :p

Enjoy ...

 
Not my first, had a mint 944 S2 back in 2006-08, struggled to give it away back then, think I got £3.5K!

 
Lukecannon said:
Thank you, hope to keep up to date on Porsche meets on here.

Also thanks for the info on the PDK, wasn't aware of any issues, probably too focused on engine issues.

Luke.

Nothing to be too concerned about Luke as there aren’t any specific issues as far as I’m aware other than occasional reports of clunky engagement which often is improved by changing the clutch and transmission fluids. It’s just that Porsche don’t make PDK spares available and so if there’s a major problem it means a complete replacement transmission at about £12k I think. Any work on the transmission is restricted to a software reboot and fluid changes and maybe replacing any external components.

Jeff

 

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