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Cayman 718T Anyone?

Ralph,

I've also read rumours about the 718T having the base 2.0t engine. I know this is consistent with the 911T, but as an existing 718 CS owner, I think this would be a mistake. The 2.5t engine has great potential, particularly in torque output. In my opinion, if Porsche use the 2.0t engine in the 718T at say 360bhp, it'll not sway existing 718 CS owners towards this model.

Far better in my view, to boost the 2.5t to 375bhp and fit this to a lightened 718CS/BoxsterS chassis.

Brian

 
Brian, if that's the case then let's hope that if the T is a 2.0 engine that they will then bring out an R with a 2.5 engine for you.

 
roblaurie said:
Isn't the concept of the T basically the same as the R? Would they do both?
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The original 987R was lighter and more powerful (albeit only by 10 hp) than anything else in the 987 Cayman range so for me that's not the same concept as the T. To be honest I struggle to see what the T brings to the 718 range except confusion and being a run out model. [&:] Unfortunately I don't see them doing both because of the forthcoming new GT4.

 
Steve Brookes said:
roblaurie said:
Isn't the concept of the T basically the same as the R? Would they do both?
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The original 987R was lighter and more powerful (albeit only by 10 hp) than anything else in the 987 Cayman range so for me that's not the same concept as the T. To be honest I struggle to see what the T brings to the 718 range except confusion and being a run out model. [&:] Unfortunately I don't see them doing both because of the forthcoming new GT4.
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The T will pick up failed GT4 orders like the 911 did and was a bit of a damp squid car and now loads for sale at daft prices a pretty stupid car imo.

the R as you say was the best and most powerfull 987.2 car they made. The T models are the slowest they make and seem pointless cars to pick up from failed GT orders.

 
Agree with you about the 718 T Steve.

I wonder about the ROI for something in such low volumes that isn't a pukka GT car.

The 911 is made in much larger numbers that, I would guess, makes that T version more viable.

Who truly understands Porsche strategy??

 
Although I'm all for choice I can't see Porsche adding a Cayman R into the mix. Although not as focused as the 987R I think the GTS has taken its place in the current hierarchy, although a 2.5-litre 718T with suitable tune would be a closer substitute.

As Rob says, who knows what Porsche's short and long-term strategy is regarding the Cayman? Some seem to think that the mid-engine cars could be the first fully electric Porsche sports cars, testing the water as it were for an electric 911.

Jeff

 
I agree with those who describe the "T" models as inferior.

The 987.2 was a small but no less successful venture by Porsche to raid the 997 GT3 parts bin and fit aluminium doors and fabric door pulls. The engine was tweaked only 10bhp above the 987.2 Cayman S, offered PDK, and had its own passive suspension set-up in place of PASM. The rest is history. One of the finest affordable driver's cars Porsche has ever made.

Listen up Porsche.........why spoil a winning formula. Please fit the 2.5t flat-4 engine, tweaked +10bhp above the GTS to 375bhp, shave off some kilos by cutting back on the glass and sound insulation, -20mm Sports PASM, LSD, alcantara trim, and a PDK Sports Chrono as a no cost option. Call this new model the 718 Cayman R. Job done.

I'd buy one.

Brian

 
Steve,

If there is one subject on this forum that we enthusiasts all agree upon, it is the iconic place of the 987.2 CR Manual as the benchmark for affordable fun.

My overtures to Porsche as detailed in my previous post, could once again make the CR an iconic driver's car as the next evolution of the brand.

Brian

 
I would imagine a 718 T would follow 911 T principles , so options that are only available on the higher spec cars (GTS) will be available on the T but not the base model and a modest loss of weight / soundproofing . It may also follow that if any model is dropped , the S for example, the "base" engine may become the 2.5. Or power increases in the 2.0 could be on the cards. Traditional increase in displacement being frowned upon these days.

 
I had a loaner 2.0T cayman a week before I picked up my S and I definitely think the base engine sounds harsher than the 2.5. Neither sound great but there is a noticeable difference. The base engine sounded like it needed to clear its throat more than the 2.5.

It it is still a real quick car and in day to day driving would be hard to tell the difference between the two speed wise.

they Just need to drop a load of weight out of it to really differentiate it else it just becomes another spec level as opposed a specialist model in itself

 
Jeff,

Having listened several times to the 718 Cayman mule on the clip, in my experience of tracking my 718 Cayman S at similar revs, I would say this car has a flat-4 turbo with a revised GPF exhaust.

I'm not putting money on it, but to my ageing ears this car is definitely a flat-4 turbo.

Brian

 
I'd agree Brian. I can't can't see any justification for R&T's statement that 'It's hard to tell what sort of engine is creating the sound, but if we had to guess, it sounds like something of the six-cylinder variety'. Perhaps it's just louder, but then as I've said many times I'm always dubious about the sound quality on video clips.

At least the GPF doesn't appear to have had a significant effect on the exhaust note though..!

Jeff

 
I think it's an interesting prospect as to just what the new GPF exhaust systems are going to sound like.

According to a recent article in Christophorus magazine, Porsche R&D spent 2 years developing the GPF exhausts for all Porsche sports cars. A diagram in the Christophorus article shows the GPF unit placed upstream of the cats close to the turbo, thereby creating a further "silencing" effect. This may result in the exhaust mufflers being redesigned to compensate for the increased back pressure the GPF adds to the exhaust system. This may partly explain why the Porsche Sports Exhaust is now deleted from the options list.

The criticism Porsche received from the press and others on the sound of the flat-4 turbo may not have gone unheeded. I would wager that they have done a lot of work on this.

I am eagerly awaiting to hear how my new GPF 718 Cayman GTS sounds compared to my current 'S" model with PSE.

Brian

 
Yes, definitely Scotland Steve. West Highlands I would say - Am Mol (Gaelic) - maybe the Isle of Skye, an area with which I'm very familiar. Some fantastic roads in that area.

An interesting snippet of information from the evo article, if true:

'There are some bespoke elements, including shortened gear ratios on the standard six-speed manual gearbox'.

I know journos are prone to getting things wrong and Autocar have mentioned a shortened gearshift, which seems more likely.

Jeff

 
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