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Brakes - what options are there?

ORIGINAL: Copperman05

Come on let's be realistic, 5 minutes to get car on lift, remove wheels, remove calipers, unseize hex screws, pack to send to refurb, refit, fit pads, fill and bleed fluid. Road test. (You want them to test they work right).
Wheel off is 5 bolts. Caliper off is another two, plus the flexi fitting. That takes me 15 minutes at the outside, using hand tools. A proper ramp and air tools will get this down to a lot, lot less.


ORIGINAL: Copperman05

Reality is this cars cost £££ to maintain if not doing the work yourself, it's why I'm starting to take mine to self service garage for simple things like oil change and stuff.

Now that is absolutely spot on, and paying someone else to do jobs you can do yourself makes no sense at all. Well done for DIY-ing jobs yourself; I get the impression that your S2 hasn't proved cheap to run (bust radiator and vandalism in the last month haven't helped) and sensible savings are always welcome.

I had a couple of 'Garage Saturdays' a while back, where I invited any local 944 owners to come over with a list of DIY-able jobs to do on their cars and we'd spend a happy day tinkering. I'd provide* a bread-and-soup lunch and a fun day would be had by all, hopefully with some freshly serviced, fettled or otherwise mended 944's at the end of it. (In fact, there are some photos on here somewhere from the last one.) Perhaps it's something we could think about doing again, although probably when the weather has warmed up a little. Would you be up for such a thing Edd, as a fellow London-dwelling 944 owner?


Oli.

* - That was a lie. My missis always did the lunch, as she's much better at it than I am.
 

ORIGINAL: edh

they were a bargain weren't they Simon ? [:D]

They certainly were! The almost new rear caliper (which I needed) was worth what I paid for all four, I think.
 
ORIGINAL: 944 man

Have you tried http://porschecalipers.co.uk/uk/85/kontakt.html ?
This evening they quoted me £1180 (+£600 refundable deposit) for the refurb whereas the £1200 was getting all 4 refurb'd and with new pads, fitting, fluid change etc. TBH, I was expecting these guys to quote closer to £6-700.

That said, If I can save money somehow, I'm happy to explore further options.

Porsche Hatfield quoted £1800 for supplying like for like replacements!

Is it worth 'upgrading' to big blacks? These are available from promax for £1200(ish) and includes new discs. To me, this would depend on how much braking our rear brakes do?

 

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Perhaps it's something we could think about doing again, although probably when the weather has warmed up a little. Would you be up for such a thing Edd, as a fellow London-dwelling 944 owner?

That's certainly something I would be interested in....
 
ORIGINAL: aporschefan
Is it worth 'upgrading' to big blacks? These are available from promax for £1200(ish) and includes new discs. To me, this would depend on how much braking our rear brakes do?
Depends on what you are using the car for I suppose, on a all out track car perhaps, people have fitted them, but I'm not convinced the extra unsprung weight they would add would ever be justified enough on a road car. Some info on Rear braking bias (at bottom of page)

Personally I would be more inclined to invest in a good set of pads and new disks (depending on condition of the old ones), as said before if your plate lift is slight it might just be a case of removing, cleaning and copperslipping and refitting. Having said that I recently went the replace with all new route as I also wanted to upgrade my front calipers to the m030 units, I had new rears too (basicaly the same set up you have now). These with track biased pads are just awesome, but not cheap.

ORIGINAL: aporschefan
ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Perhaps it's something we could think about doing again, although probably when the weather has warmed up a little. Would you be up for such a thing Edd, as a fellow London-dwelling 944 owner?

That's certainly something I would be interested in....

Me too!


Edd
 
Big blacks/reds give you more braking, rather than more stopping, if you see what I mean. Adding braking ducts with carefully directed hoses will make a very good first step in this direction and even on a track car, few people need the extra capacity.
 

ORIGINAL: aporschefan

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Have you tried http://porschecalipers.co.uk/uk/85/kontakt.html ?
This evening they quoted me £1180 (+£600 refundable deposit) for the refurb whereas the £1200 was getting all 4 refurb'd and with new pads, fitting, fluid change etc. TBH, I was expecting these guys to quote closer to £6-700.

That said, If I can save money somehow, I'm happy to explore further options.

Porsche Hatfield quoted £1800 for supplying like for like replacements!

Is it worth 'upgrading' to big blacks? These are available from promax for £1200(ish) and includes new discs. To me, this would depend on how much braking our rear brakes do?


That price seems at odds with their quoted prices here http://porschecalipers.co.uk/uk/82/pages/26/services.html - £200 per pair, plus parts I guess, which is a fairly big variable as you may not need all new pistons etc... Are you sure that £1180 doesn't include the deposit?

Unless this is a track car, you don't need big blacks at all - I'd only do that if they were cheaper than medium blacks.
 

ORIGINAL: aporschefan


ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Perhaps it's something we could think about doing again, although probably when the weather has warmed up a little. Would you be up for such a thing Edd, as a fellow London-dwelling 944 owner?

That's certainly something I would be interested in....

Me too!
 

ORIGINAL: aporschefan

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Have you tried http://porschecalipers.co.uk/uk/85/kontakt.html ?
This evening they quoted me £1180 (+£600 refundable deposit) for the refurb whereas the £1200 was getting all 4 refurb'd and with new pads, fitting, fluid change etc. TBH, I was expecting these guys to quote closer to £6-700.

That said, If I can save money somehow, I'm happy to explore further options.

Porsche Hatfield quoted £1800 for supplying like for like replacements!

Is it worth 'upgrading' to big blacks? These are available from promax for £1200(ish) and includes new discs. To me, this would depend on how much braking our rear brakes do?

Only just seen this, and I think that Ed has addressed the issue with great eloquence. [:D]

Have you tried Ian Godney at Godspeed Brakes? As has already been suggested though, most Brembos dont need seals, pistons or even new SS plates - just a clean and paint. Unless youve been heavily grinding the pads to get them to fit, then youre probably at the thin end of the wedge.


Simon
 
I was wondering the same because I never paid them that much.

Was that for you sending them your calipers or are they supplying calipers and then taking a deposit until they get yours in return ?
 

ORIGINAL: edh

That price seems at odds with their quoted prices here http://porschecalipers.co.uk/uk/82/pages/26/services.html - £200 per pair, plus parts I guess, which is a fairly big variable as you may not need all new pistons etc... Are you sure that £1180 doesn't include the deposit?

Unless this is a track car, you don't need big blacks at all - I'd only do that if they were cheaper than medium blacks.

It wasn't clear from the quote. I have emailed them again and asked the same question. Hopefully you're right!
 
Can I ask what work you had carried out and what you paid?

They are aware I will be sending my callipers to them once I receive the new set. (As stated in the previous post, hopefully there was confusion in the quote provided and the actual price is cheaper!)

ORIGINAL: 944Scott

I was wondering the same because I never paid them that much.

Was that for you sending them your calipers or are they supplying calipers and then taking a deposit until they get yours in return ?
 
They have confirmed..."Total after refund will be £1180
You pay £200 for a service on a set of calipers. As you have 2 sets (front and rear) this makes it £400. Than piston kits are £600. New plates are £180."

Ouch.
 
ORIGINAL: aporschefan
Than piston kits are £600. New plates are £180."

Ouch.
Ouch indeed. That's the comedy prices; what are the pistons and plates made from, unobtainium?

Piston kits were about £30 a piston when I last looked. Plates were about £15 a caliper. These are not rare or obscure parts, those prices are simply obscene.

Link to US place selling repair kits, to illustrate the point:

http://www.paragon-products.com/Brembo-Caliper-Repair-Kits-p/brembo-caliper-kits-late.htm

MAXIMUM of $30 a piston, most nearer $20. $100 a caliper. Total $400 - less than £300. (And even that seems steep.)

Someone's being tucked up there. And quite tidily too.


Oli.
 
Emailed them a day or so ago. Am waiting for their reply.

I don't know that I need 16 new pistons so the cost may be less than the quoted amount.

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Have you spoken to Ian Godney and do you know that you need sixteen new pistons?
 
I think you will find your plates will clean up and can be reused, I used porsche calipers uk and did not pay that much.
 

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