991 turbo
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Yup - seems the cost of supercars is massively on the up! You can't get a 456 coupe for under £200k - thats a big jump from the old F430. Even the new Turbo when it comes out will be around £150k. That's a lot of money for something that just makes you go fast but doesn't really stir the senses due to a lack of beauty or symphony.
Unless I had millions in cash burning a hole in my pocket, I personally would never spend more than £150k on a new car, and £100k on a low mileage used one. I would rather forego the depreciation and running costs, and join a supercar club to experience them that way.
Unless I had millions in cash burning a hole in my pocket, I personally would never spend more than £150k on a new car, and £100k on a low mileage used one. I would rather forego the depreciation and running costs, and join a supercar club to experience them that way.
Agree 100% coming from a Ferrari 430 sound was more important than I realised, also the gearbox, the f1 on the 430 may of been not so smooth but at least you felt involved, the PDK is like driving a CVT, I am so glad I brought a GT3RS which for me ticks all the boxes that the Ferrari did but has reliability built in! Long live manual!
100% disagree. Having developed into a mature and reasonably civilised citizen, I grew out of the Peco Exhaust Booster phase of my life many years ago [
] and full-bore paddle shifts in my 430 Scuderia always got me thinking of a 4 grand clutch change just around the corner! []In the Turbo, full throttle gear changes are available all day long. This and the kick down from 7th. into 2nd for acceleration is as involving as I need to be. [
]Regards,
Clive.
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot
100% disagree. Having developed into a mature and reasonably civilised citizen, I grew out of the Peco Exhaust Booster phase of my life many years ago [
In the Turbo, full throttle gear changes are available all day long. This and the kick down from 7th. into 2nd for acceleration is as involving as I need to be. [
Regards,
Clive.
Clive if you use the Turbo every day then maybe it's a different story, if you do as I do and just use the special car for the odd Sunny day and weekend then I like and enjoy the sound as the driver involvement much more, it's not about being civilised or non-caring about noise pollution , I think the bikers do most of that, it's about the "total experience", I do many charity events and car days and without doubt the passion goes like this 1) looks, 2) Sound 3) performance, for me reliability is there as well something none of my Ferrari's were even from new.
It's always fun discussing individual views on such subjects, isn't it?
Between you and I, I wouldn't change my 2 year tenancy with my Fezza for all the tea in China. For me it was the realisation of a boyhood dream as I've loved Ferraris from a very early age. []
But that's not to say I think they're any better than Porsches - just different.
Would that I could afford to have both simultaneously! [8|]
ATB
Clive.
Between you and I, I wouldn't change my 2 year tenancy with my Fezza for all the tea in China. For me it was the realisation of a boyhood dream as I've loved Ferraris from a very early age. [
]But that's not to say I think they're any better than Porsches - just different.
Would that I could afford to have both simultaneously! [8|]
ATB
Clive.
I had the F 430 and the Turbo together, the Turbo lasted with me 3 months the F 430 2 1/2 years and 11 weeks of that time was in the garage under warranty.
My wife is Italian and I always say to her, the Ferrari is a fashion Object the Porsche is an Instrument. I really do savour the running costs of the Porsche and don't feel so guilty.
I feel sure that Porsche is moving more the fashion way now (ie 918), the GT3RS does IMO sound as good as the 430 once on the run, is far quicker to me, has more of the " in your face looks where the 430 was prettier", mind you at my age I feel a bit on show in the Porsche..
If I could "justify" not afford, I would have kept both, even though the build quality of the Ferrari is so poor.
When I drive the Porsche out I really do notice people everywhere stop and look no different to the Ferrari, except they treat the Porker with far more street cred especially the younger generation which is nice.
The age old thought of both cars will go on forever, however said that the 458 is not worth £200K, driven it, spent a week end with it, been to the factory, still made poorly, still looks lovely but a massive jump over the 430
My wife is Italian and I always say to her, the Ferrari is a fashion Object the Porsche is an Instrument. I really do savour the running costs of the Porsche and don't feel so guilty.
I feel sure that Porsche is moving more the fashion way now (ie 918), the GT3RS does IMO sound as good as the 430 once on the run, is far quicker to me, has more of the " in your face looks where the 430 was prettier", mind you at my age I feel a bit on show in the Porsche..
If I could "justify" not afford, I would have kept both, even though the build quality of the Ferrari is so poor.
When I drive the Porsche out I really do notice people everywhere stop and look no different to the Ferrari, except they treat the Porker with far more street cred especially the younger generation which is nice.
The age old thought of both cars will go on forever, however said that the 458 is not worth £200K, driven it, spent a week end with it, been to the factory, still made poorly, still looks lovely but a massive jump over the 430
I just spotted this on another forum [:-]
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=1049703&mid=56824&i=0&nmt=205mph+and+still+pulling&mid=56824
However, the ultimate performance of the Turbos has never really interested me - it's largely academic. Agree the GT3s and some Ferraris can be more rewarding, but once learnt, the Turbo S with PDK, etc, is still a very engaging toy in real world conditions and sane speeds.
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=1049703&mid=56824&i=0&nmt=205mph+and+still+pulling&mid=56824
However, the ultimate performance of the Turbos has never really interested me - it's largely academic. Agree the GT3s and some Ferraris can be more rewarding, but once learnt, the Turbo S with PDK, etc, is still a very engaging toy in real world conditions and sane speeds.
Though I have absolutely no basis for saying so my belief is that the new turbo will represent a step forward similar to the one between 996 and 997. How Porsche will do this I have absolutely no idea as the present car already exceeds all my reasonable expectations and requirements, but nonetheless I have faith to the extent that I have joined the 991turbo queue.
I can't really see that a n/a 991S will be a sufficient improvement on the 997turbo S to justify making a change so what to do in the 18 months plus before the new car arrives? My solution has been to look at the secondhand market; and after a bit of searching I have found a nice 3.2l 6 speed 2 seat coupe that is not that common but has a certain intrinsic value that I hope will stand the test of time. It is plenty fast enough for road use and a nice place to be. But it is not suitable for showing on this board as it is not of the eponymous marque.
Cheers
Nick
I can't really see that a n/a 991S will be a sufficient improvement on the 997turbo S to justify making a change so what to do in the 18 months plus before the new car arrives? My solution has been to look at the secondhand market; and after a bit of searching I have found a nice 3.2l 6 speed 2 seat coupe that is not that common but has a certain intrinsic value that I hope will stand the test of time. It is plenty fast enough for road use and a nice place to be. But it is not suitable for showing on this board as it is not of the eponymous marque.
Cheers
Nick
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