991 turbo

[grover]

Does anyone have their name down for one yet with the dealer, I do like the interior shots in the press of the new 991 personally, looking forwrad to seeing it in the flesh though.

Was thinking about putting in an order for the new 458 spyder first though but really want to see pictures first.

 

[Lancerlot]

Yes, me since 2009! []

458 Spyder is for hairdressers, mate. [] You're going to need professional psychological help if you order one those! [&:] []

Regards,

Clive.

 

[sidicks]

I have a 'letter of intent' for a 991 Turbo at my local OPC (Tonbridge), but obviously in practice that doesn't mean much until you actually place a deposit etc.

My 997 Gen 1 C4s will be 7 years old by 2013 (and I'll be 40 years old), so good reasons for a change!!

I'd love a 458, but at least with the 991 Turbo, I can pretend that it is a practical choice with rear seats, 4WD and is something I would use every day (my 997 is my daily driver and only car), whereas the same couldn't be said of a 458.

Of course for me the price difference (£70k+) might also have something to do with it!


Sidicks

 

[garyw]

I do, but as yet not convinced....[&:]
The 458 just looks to offer so much more of a car experience...

Maybe the Porsche marketing hype will get me more interested []

garyw

 

[Alex L]

I don't see how they can make the 991 Turbo much better.

I don't get anywhere near the handling limits of my car now, and any more power than I currently have, would just make the tyres spin more than they already do (it's hard enough now to put it down on the road).

ie. the tyres and my personal abilities are the limiting points.

So all they can really do is make it better looking - and from the spy shots it's looks more Panamera than 911 - 'nuff said.

Ferrari/Lambo/Aston/McLaren are all much more appealing due to the looks and the sound.

 

[Clewsey]

Having spent a couple of weekends at the Ring over the past 3 weeks and over the 6 years I've been visiting, I'm always astonished at how "at home" ALL 911's are on track. Their usable performance and traction (and soundtrack of the GT3RS) is astonishing. I'm also amazed at the number of Ferrari/Aston/Lambo owners who never "drive" their cars in the way they were intended. I realise they are expensive machines but then a GT2/GT3 RS isn't a cheap machine either...

I would be inclined to bet a small wager that Porsche will again do the impossible with the 991 Turbo and make it better in lots of ways []

Cheers,
Simon

 

[geoff lane]

ORIGINAL: garyw

I do, but as yet not convinced....[&:]
The 458 just looks to offer so much more of a car experience...

Maybe the Porsche marketing hype will get me more interested []

garyw

Gary

Are you intending to polish your car instead of driving it in the future ? Beware of the expensive bits that will fall off and likely it will be more than tyres that will fetch out the recovery truck.
As Alex says the sound and looks of an Aston, Ferrari, Lambo etc are a step ahead, the reliability and everyday useability surely give Porsche the edge the only real supercar you can use everyday with confidence and think of the money you will save.
Gary you need to stay loyal you know it makes sense!

 

[garyw]

Geoff
The above was one of the reasons for pulling out of the 458 a long time ago (wish I hadn't now- I'd of made a few quid selling it on [:'(])

However the new car (911) has a lot of ground to even stand still alongside of the other marques, however whichever one wins it will be driven more often than its polished []
Whatever that costs!!!![&:]

garyw

 

[bobfair]

I think there is a real danger that the 991 Turbo will lack that magic quality called "driving experience" especially if Porsche are consistent and fail to offer a sports exhaust and keep the interior the same as all the other models which cost considerably less.

If you look at the recent test reports between McClaren and the 458 the 458 wins because of the emotion it creates. Turbos surpress noise and lack that emotion that is crucial for some. I think what it will come down to is if you want bullit proof engineering, everday useability, great value for money, fantastic grip and acceleration and trackability then you will be very tempted by the 991 Turbo but if you want a stirring in your loins every time you look at or start the car then you will be tempted by the 458 (provided you can afford the additional £70k and considerably higher running costs). For my part a secondhand 599 with a handling pack is starting to look very tempting as they seem to lose £60 to £70k in their first year making the nearly new price more attractive but I am keen to see what the 991 will offer

 

[Ekona]

The Turbo isn't a direct competitor to the 458 though really. One's a mid-engined 2-seater play toy and the other is a turbo-nutter 2+2 use every day if you want car, so appeal to very different markets.

Given that the main reason the MP4-12C lost out to the 458 wasn't so much the emotion but the dodgy steering that left the car feeling dead upon initial turn-in, I'm far more concerned about the 991's move to electric power steering. That will make or break the car far more than a copycat interior (which it will have for obvious reasons) or a still-quiet exhaust ever will.

 

[flat6]

If you're looking for a 458 experience, maybe you'll be wanting the 961. There are a couple of words about it in the latest paper issue of autoexpress or autocar. Sorry, cannot remember which. 0-62mph in 3.0 sec they reckoned. Here is an older link.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/267466/porsches_458_rival_revealed.html

 

[grover]

I know it's the classic dilemma between the two brands, but on the basis that the money isnt the issue and that it won't be my daily driver, my thought process is going along the lines, order the 458 spider before it's gets max air time at Frankfurt, it will be 20 months before it arrives and my turbo s is great til then, keep it six months plus so c3000 miles and sell it on whilst wait lists are still high, by then the 991 turbo is out (name is on wait list for that already) and maybe the stunning looking 961mid engine Porsche might be out and a reality.......or maybe not..........I am sure I can move the spider on without much loss.....

 

[flat6]

Sounds like a good plan!

 

[blueSL]

I'm afraid I find my 997.2 turbo provides a rather bland, uninvolving driving experience which I put down to the PDK. What I really should have bought is a GT3 and it's a pity that the best 997 - the 4.0 - came out so late in the day as limited run, all sold examples. We've now got to work our way through the worthy but ever-so-slightly dull versions of the new car before there's anything I would now consider. I'm not sold on the new car design, especially not the interior.

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: blueSL
I'm afraid I find my 997.2 turbo provides a rather bland, uninvolving driving experience which I put down to the PDK.

Perhaps that's down to the way you're driving it! [8|]

I had a superb drive back from a meeting yesterday via a favourite B road of mine and revelled in it.

This latest Turbo really is a stunning piece of kit. []

Regards,

Clive.

 

[oliver]

ORIGINAL: blueSL

I'm afraid I find my 997.2 turbo provides a rather bland, uninvolving driving experience which I put down to the PDK. What I really should have bought is a GT3 and it's a pity that the best 997 - the 4.0 - came out so late in the day as limited run, all sold examples. We've now got to work our way through the worthy but ever-so-slightly dull versions of the new car before there's anything I would now consider. I'm not sold on the new car design, especially not the interior.

I've had 911s since 1984, including a 997GT3 for three years and a 997 Turbo 'S' for the last year - all used as regular transport.

I would agree that the GT3 can be more involving and rewarding. It's probably one of the best ever '911' concepts. The steering, the power delivery, the noise... are all nicer than the Turbo. But, interestingly, for day-to-day use I prefer the Turbo.

The 'S' spec does include quite a lot of options that do improve the chassis response and driver involvement a bit more, but overall I just find it a more settled place to be. The performance and handling are far more predictable whatever the weather. Once learnt, the PDK is very clever and it covers long distances in comfort and safety. And you do still have a sense of being in a 911.

I'm sure the 991, and eventually the Turbo variant, will move the game on a bit further.

However, I'd recommend that anyone who has a Turbo or 997/991, also has an 'old school' 911 in the garage for fun. The traditional air-cooled, normally aspirated, rwd, 5-spd, 911s are still so rewarding on great roads and will put a smile on your face that the more serious Turbo/GT3/458s etc just can't match.

 

[garyw]

I was out with a group of other marque owners in Germany recently and a friend mentioned that his car wasn't as rewarding to drive against his older manual version...
A few of us replied that earlier he'd mentioned that he'd never taken it out of Auto mode []

garyw

 

[bobfair]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/ferrari-458-spider-teaser-video/

If this is a hairdressers car please can I have the blow dry

 

[tscaptain]

Ok until the electrics pack up mid way through hood retraction........[][]

 

[Lancerlot]

Big weight, cost and low stiffness penalty for blow dry!

ORIGINAL: bobfair

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/ferrari-458-spider-teaser-video/

If this is a hairdressers car please can I have the blow dry