13k turbo on eBay. Best in country ..... With rare sunroof optune !?
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Copperman05
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Unless you post a link I don't see the point of this post.
Edd
Edd
Kongsodoken
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can some tell me the fuel line is joined is this the porsche replacement part? or are they all like this from new[]
]can some tell me the fuel line is joined is this the porsche replacement part? or are they all like this from new[
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pauljmcnulty
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It's easy to be critical, but fair play to the ad for showing a decent set of pictures. They don't show most of the critical areas, however, and there's hardly a comprehensive list of recent work done in the "history" link, which doesn't actually give any history. [8|]
Turbos are sometimes valued at over £10K, but it's still a rare thing. They fall in to two groups.
Well-converted track specials are always worth over £10K, but will be cars that have had over £20K spent on them. Clear front indicators doesn't make this a race car.
Concourse, low-mileage original cars are still valued at well over £10K, but a 100K turbo with the wrong front indicators is probably a long way from that market, where the cars only appeal to the museum collectors.
All I can see is an average tubo with the miles over that critical, if meaningless, limit where buyers with £13K to spend on a 944 seem to see "low miles" turn in to "intergalactic, worn out scrapper". No justification of the price by listing the massive amount of restoration that could make it a good buy, either.
Turbos are sometimes valued at over £10K, but it's still a rare thing. They fall in to two groups.
Well-converted track specials are always worth over £10K, but will be cars that have had over £20K spent on them. Clear front indicators doesn't make this a race car.
Concourse, low-mileage original cars are still valued at well over £10K, but a 100K turbo with the wrong front indicators is probably a long way from that market, where the cars only appeal to the museum collectors.
All I can see is an average tubo with the miles over that critical, if meaningless, limit where buyers with £13K to spend on a 944 seem to see "low miles" turn in to "intergalactic, worn out scrapper". No justification of the price by listing the massive amount of restoration that could make it a good buy, either.
Copperman05
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Looks nice enough, we often recommend to buy on condition so if the car is as good as it looks in the pics I dont see the issue with 100,000 miles and a couple of clear indicator lenses, its still pretty original looking too. Whether its going to sell for the asking price is up for debate, but as I have said before its good to see these cars being priced close to similar aged metal.
Edd
Edd
Hmm, very nice, I read it as 13k mileage, 100k, it is exceptionally tidy for that age and mileage, 13 grand is possibly a little enthusiastic but if it is as good as it looks it cant be far off if it is indeed as good as it looks, manky old 911s from the eighties with ropey flat front conversions, less power, auto boxes, targa tops, rot and generally being crap go for more than that.
pauljmcnulty
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A £13K 944 needs to be an exceptional car. Right or wrong, you have to tick certain boxes to get an insurance valuation over, say, half that nowdays.
I would say that a 944 turbo, excluding track cars or race cars, can't break the £10K mark under any circumstances unless it appeals to the concourse-fetishists, or the museum-owning billionaires. This is way off any of those categories, unless there's been a whole lot of money spent that they aren't mentioning, so it's just another red 944 at the end of the day.
Harsh, but even 50K is enough to take a car out of the "collectible classic" market. That's why the values of the low-miles cars are so high; there are too many with 6 figures showing, where the investors want low 5 figures or it's not worth bothering
Copperman05
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Not sure why we are talking down 944 prices, we should be doing the opposite, we hark on about how the 944 is undervalued and then as soon as some decent dealers start pricing them as deserved (JACKO's comment about crappy 911's fetching more is a very valid one), we jump all over it and give reasons why it isnt worth it and will never be. Its a shame, however 'realistic' we think we are being.
I think its a very nice red 944 and I hope the dealer get near the asking price and the new owner lots of 944 enjoyment.
Edd
I think its a very nice red 944 and I hope the dealer get near the asking price and the new owner lots of 944 enjoyment.
Edd
Alpine
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Trouble with cars like that is that more likely than not it was bought fairly cheap, given a thorough paint job (and new tyres) and then put up for sale at more than double the price it was bought for. It has obviously had some recent paint (see wheel arch shot). Personally I'd rather see a car in its conitition pre-tarted up, so I know exactly what i am buying (hence I would be very reluctant to buy from a trader).
MarkK
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Average prices are on the rise of good looking turbo streetcars,if you are talking about track cars,my 180 k mile blue turbo S fetched more than all the figures talked about at the beginning of 2011 that's a fact(sold in a few days buyer never questioned or bargained),I watch values of cars for fun 944s aswell and prices are recovering and nice cars are commanding more all the time,look at pistonheads it's there for all to see,nice cars are going abroad aswell and not always super low milers,this and the cars no longer any good means good cars are getting rarer by the day....what happens next over time is easy for anyone to figure out,it's all going the right way and it will only continue...
pauljmcnulty
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I understand your point, just that the ad in question tends to point towards a car that's the opposite of the potential good deals we see in the depressed market, and could be the sort of car that gives 944s a bad name?
Let's say it was adverised at £5K. We'd be asking for evidence of a whole load of work done, that isn't listed here. We'd be asking for internal shots of the sills, and proof that the paint was actually that good, rather than a machine-polish for the cameras.
For £13K with a six-figure mileage, I'd want to see everything refurbed. There's no evidence of bodywork restoration, a new clutch, head gasket, fuel or brake lines, caliper overhaul, clutch, suspension, recent front-end overhaul to include belts, waterpump and all the extras, PAS refurb, wheel refurb, tyres, interior refresh, new rad, ignition refurb to include leads, dizzy cap and rotor arm, I could go on.....!
The ad says "roof colour not available", there's not a single entry under "history", and judge for yourself the options if you click "warranty". To me, this is exactly the sort of ad that will put people off, even if you forget the silly price. This will be a potential nightmare of a car for someone at that price in my opinion, and on the basis of the advertised info it could potentially drop £10K when you buy it, which doesn't help our car's values at all. To be fair to the seller, it could just be the most badly advertised car, and actually worth that money, but who'd spend £13K on a 944 that's not well advertised?
Copperman05
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My suspicion is that this dealer has done a bit a research and seen the Buchanan Motors Turbo at similar money and wanted a bit of the same. Cant blame him really. Without seeing the car its all speculation anyway, if it has been resprayed then it could also have had some major work done, sills, front wings, arches. I can see why people can be negative about sheds but with cars that look decent its somewhat disappointing.
Edd
Edd
MartinRS2K
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Totally agree with you Edd, I bought my 944 Turbo privately last year from London with 47k on the clock and a full service history and gave what I thought was the right money for the car. I have since spent over £3k on the car including the Hartech Gold Service with required jobs and new Porsche rated tyres.
The car has been valued by PCGB at well over what this car is advertised for and I personally think it is the correct value for the car.
There are always going to be big fluctuations in price for the different conditions of the cars for sale but a genuine low mileage car with no accident damage and a comprehensive history is only going to increase in value if it continues to be maintained and looked after.
Rotten, damaged or badly maintained cars that are sold with faults will always drag the pricing down, but these cars cannot be compared to a maintained car and will end up broken for parts or driven til they die.
The more we see quality cars advertised for 5 figure sums the more likely it will be that people will be prepared to spend money on the upkeep of their cars as they will see the value in doing this and this will in time push the prices up as potential buyers will start to look at the positives of owning a 944 (ie. build quality, looks, power, handling, reliability) rather than the negatives that keep getting mentioned (ie. sills, wings, cam belts, occasional electric faults) [
]If you don't want to spend money looking after a "high performance" car then buy a VW Golf GTI or similar hot hatch that is cheaper to run [
]I think there is a lot of interest around the 944 at the moment, there are a lot of threads on Pistonheads about, with 911's getting so expensive, classic insurance being so cheap and these crs being a lot less needy than some other classics, also money doesnt do so well in banks, so it makes an old sports car seem like a reasonble proposition. It is amazing how it still gets looked down on a bit, along with the 924 which I think is also due some recognition. Peopel will spend vast sums on a diesel Astra which depreciates like mad and has all the individuality of a hotel bath mat, does the 944 still seem expensive ? I think with the internet, froums such as this means that ownwing these cars isnt such a leap of faith, there seem to be more hobbyists around than ever.
The pool of good cars is dwindling, look at the number of breakers on Ebay and the number that are dropping off on Howmanyleft, people pay thousands, sometimes tens of thousands for old Escorts, personally I dotn expect my cab to really be worth a vast amount but hope that it is still worth the four grand that I paid for it, perhaps a bit more, would just like to keep seeing the odd 924/944/928 on the road, I like 911's but the frotn rengined cars have their own virtues and in a lot of ways are better.
The pool of good cars is dwindling, look at the number of breakers on Ebay and the number that are dropping off on Howmanyleft, people pay thousands, sometimes tens of thousands for old Escorts, personally I dotn expect my cab to really be worth a vast amount but hope that it is still worth the four grand that I paid for it, perhaps a bit more, would just like to keep seeing the odd 924/944/928 on the road, I like 911's but the frotn rengined cars have their own virtues and in a lot of ways are better.
ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K
Totally agree with you Edd, I bought my 944 Turbo privately last year from London with 47k on the clock and a full service history and gave what I thought was the right money for the car. I have since spent over £3k on the car including the Hartech Gold Service with required jobs and new Porsche rated tyres.
The car has been valued by PCGB at well over what this car is advertised for and I personally think it is the correct value for the car.
There are always going to be big fluctuations in price for the different conditions of the cars for sale but a genuine low mileage car with no accident damage and a comprehensive history is only going to increase in value if it continues to be maintained and looked after.
Rotten, damaged or badly maintained cars that are sold with faults will always drag the pricing down, but these cars cannot be compared to a maintained car and will end up broken for parts or driven til they die.
The more we see quality cars advertised for 5 figure sums the more likely it will be that people will be prepared to spend money on the upkeep of their cars as they will see the value in doing this and this will in time push the prices up as potential buyers will start to look at the positives of owning a 944 (ie. build quality, looks, power, handling, reliability) rather than the negatives that keep getting mentioned (ie. sills, wings, cam belts, occasional electric faults) [
If you don't want to spend money looking after a "high performance" car then buy a VW Golf GTI or similar hot hatch that is cheaper to run [
Totally agree with this. It's time we started talking the prices up and not trying to pull every car that comes on the market to pieces.Stop calling down dealers and sellers who are pushing the prices up.Stop looking for faults in cars and start looking for the positives.(Im sure all your cars are perfect and fault free )
Obviously I wouldn't buy this car cause it's the slow colour,with a hairdrier, and the clock screen is bust. [
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