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Worrying engine noise - Update Good & bad

russpen

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A while ago I posted that I had a worrying engine noise coming from the top of my 's' , and was advised that it would be worth checking the Cam chain.

The good news was that the everything looked as good as new at 115K, but thought that while the cover was off it would be good idea to change the chain guides.

Porsche Shop sold ne the top guide and new Cam cover gasket, apparently only the top guide is available separatly, the lower guide only comes with a new tensioner, or so I was told.

Removing the cover was easy, it was suggested that the fuel lines are removed, but I managed without.

I had no problems with removing the tensioner, remove the oil supply pipe first, be careful to recover the two washers, there is one either side of the pipe on both ends.

Compressing the tensioner was achievable with hand pressure and I used a section of wire coat hanger to retain it.

Changing the guide is a matter of slideing the old one off and the new one back on.

This is were my problems started.

First mistake - I didn't have a torque wrench for the hollow oil supply pipe and cam bolts at 10 NM and coulld not find the torque setting for the tensioner fixings, so used what I though was just enough, until it was all back together and found that I had an oil leek. I gave a cover bolt another turn, you guessed it the bold snapped at the thread.

Bolt from Porsche Guildford ordered and torque wrench purchased.

Second mistake - There are two lenghs of bolt that hold the cover, despite having pushed the bolts through a cardboard template of the cover to keep thim in order and having the bolt with me when ordering the next day I ordered the wrong one, correct bolt ordered.

Now in possession of a torque wrench though I would check the tentioner and oil pipe fixings.

Third mistake - I had over tightended the two tensioner fixings, the threats in both holes stripped out. These are tapped into the aluminium head, the other fixings look to have a steel insert into the head.

Heli Coil kit purchased from Machine Mart £22 or there abouts, hols drilled (a little worrying) head completly covered to prevent any swaff getting into the moving parts, holes tapped, coils inserted.

Forth mistake - "If you thought the last one was bad" Having put it all back together I had removed the rags preventing anything dropping down the oil drain holes. I though it would be a good idea to put the tensioner bolts back into the head so I didnt loose them, well I did loose one, down the centre oil drain hole.

No amount of probing with magnets etc proved successful so there it stays. Two new bolts ordered from Porsche!!!!!!


It is now all back together, torqued up correcctly, the tensioner guide and cam gasket replaced, no oil leek and running perfectly.

I have been very honest with this report on my attempt to carry out this minor DIY job in the hope that others can avaoid the same mistakes.

I have some good pictures but cant get them load on the site.

Russ








 
Hi Russ,
I started a thread not far of your ordeal . I am at the stage of waiting for a new cam cover to arrive and I noticed that previously the Cam chain tensioner bolts threads had already been stripped and some one had put in Heli Coils in. When I removed the bolts there were tiny bits of Heli Coils that came out of the holes. I cleaned all the bits out and have ordered original Helicoil Kit for when I fit the new tensioner.

May I ask you Russ ? Do you know the part numbers for the Tensioner bolts you purchased ? Just I called my local OP dealership and they said they could not see the bolts on there screen ?? One bolt is slightly longer than the other and I just want to replace for the correct ones.

I found this site selling a complete slide kit :
http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod71119/Porsche-Timing-Chain-Adjuster-Guide-Repair-Kit-94410594900/

But I ended up buying a brand new complete tensioner.

Where do you think the bolts you lost down that drain hole have ended up ? They might be in the sump ? They should stay at the bottom of the sump ? If you drain the oil you might be able to fish them out via the drain plug hole ? Or using a magnet draw them to the hole ?
 
Ouch. This job is not hard as it goes but it just shows how things can escalate if things start to go wrong...

You really don't want random bolts hanging around in the sump. You may get lucky and be able to flush it out with the oil.

Instead of helicoiling the tensioner bolt holes I believe it's possible to fit slightly longer bolts.
 
That's why we love our cars and that's why it took me 5 years to rebuild my car. I spent 3 weekends trying to get a cap head bolt out ( gearbox to torque tube) and then finally discovered irwin easy outs. job done in 5 mins.
good that you saw it through and didn't throw in the towel and take it to some one. You should be proud of yourself.
 
Thanks for the honest report Russ, I could feel your pain and the many head slapping moments as you went along.

We've all been there and have the 'why did I ever start this?' feelings.
 
I had 2 bolt snap on me when I removed my cam cover for paint, found a mix off bolts some oem type some just plain bolts.

The lower cam pad can be sourced. I think from USA, renbay?
 
It is good to know I am not the only one who has problems, I suppose it's the challenge of DIY that keeps me coming back for more, well that and the fact I can't afford for someone to do it for me, there is however great satisfaction in maintaining your own car.

J.C Turboman - I can't understand the label so here is all the Ref numbers on it.
Grelfkolli No - 3033280
Material No - N 0147032
Pan head screw M6 x 18
Source Bin A A139-f-1

Hope this helps.

Russ
 
Hi Russ, that's great thank you. I will give these details to my local dealership to see if they can get me a couple.

Some one suggested to fit longer bolts ? I did take some measurements of the existing holes and the length of the current bolts, and there is a little room for longer bolts to be fitted . I also found to much excess play in the first 8mm of the holes , and I would not be happy knowing that . So best to fit some fresh Heli Coils and have the new bolts nice and tight.
If you look left side of the bolt hole in this picture ? You can see that this S2 has some previous history with the tensioner ? Slight damage to the edge of the tappet seat .You can notice a slight scale down as you look into the holes .
Once I fit the brand new tensioner , this engine should be safe for another 100K with frequent oil changes and belt changes.
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