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Laurence Gibbs

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I am really getting the itch to have something old in the Garage again. I'd like a base line of price v condition, to have an idea of what I might find at what price. I have no specific model in mind though I doubt I could afford a pre-A or any cab model other than that i am open minded. If pushed I prefer the shape of the A.
One other question, Whilst prefering the look of the A, the running gear of the C is more preferable, How interchangeable are the parts and at what cost parts wise?
Ok one more question where should I be looking?
 
ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs

I am really getting the itch to have something old in the Garage again. I'd like a base line of price v condition, to have an idea of what I might find at what price. I have no specific model in mind though I doubt I could afford a pre-A or any cab model other than that i am open minded. If pushed I prefer the shape of the A.
One other question, Whilst prefering the look of the A, the running gear of the C is more preferable, How interchangeable are the parts and at what cost parts wise?
Ok one more question where should I be looking?

Wow - these are the £64m questions [:D]

First, there is a narrowing degree of difference in price between LHD and RHD - RHD will always command a signifficant premium over LHD in the UK due to rarity.

As you noted Cabs are commanding a higher price over coupes - this is normal. So if you're looking at Coupe's your choices are pre-A, A, B, T6B, C, SC. I'm ignoring the 'specials' such as Carrera (muchos, muchos mullah), Speedster and Roadster (Convertible D).

Condition is then the next consideration - forget anyone saying "oh, just needs a bit of welding" - there is no such thing as a 'cheap' repair to a 356 - and value will be based on the quality of any restoration or repairs. I looked at a bonney B coupe about eight months ago - from the photos needed little work - get up close and it needs the front clip cutting off, replacing correctly, inner rears doing - while you're in there do the bulkhead, sills - oh and jig the whole thing - car was up for £18,995 - not a bad price - I left it well alone - was purchased by a 'rock star' who was desperate to sell it on six months later - obviously when he realised he was in for £30,000 of restoration.

There are many who do 'home restos' (like Mark - 912UK) and they're brave and committed guys - if you've got the skills go for it.

My guess on price assuming no work required, correct, non-concours cars would be:

RHD LHD
Pre-A 45,000 35,000
A 40,000 30,000
B 35,000 25,000
T6B 30,000 25,000
C 25,000 20,000
SC 30,000 25,000

The uplift for the SC is that they're very rare cars and in many ways closest to an early 911.

You will always find them cheaper if they are a) not original colour, spec, engine interior and b) in need of work (note comments above).

Just to give you a clue - my 356 Carrera has been in restoration for two years now - Engine rebuilt £40,000, gearbox rebuild £5,000, suspension and brakes rebuild £5,000, shell restoration c. £25,000.

So it's just not worth buying a resto case unless you're a hard man!

Parts from later B's and C's are sort of interchangeable - rear brake upgrade being a common one - but originality is the key to value so if you've bought a highly original car, put up with the 'period' driving experience or you're reducing the value.

As for where to look - for LHD try mobile.de - they do pop up - Steven on here runs a website, can't remember the url, with a number of classifieds, DDK, Classic & Sportscar and believe it or not Porsche Post - they do crop up in there.

Hope this all makes sense [:)] and happy hunting.

Dar I say this - have you considered an early 911? Cheaper to buy, cheaper to work on - and more of a driver's car - just a thought [;)]

Philip
 
There's a nice sounding SC on Autotrader:

Autotrader Link

There's also a selection on my site:

Classified section of my site

I'd definitely consider an early 911. Silver with black interior and all that chrome... oooh. Saw one a couple of weeks ago with that combination, it looked absolutely timeless. If'd I'd seen one like that when I was looking I would have thought twice.
 
Thanks Philip,
I should have said I am happy to go for LHD and would see little point in paying a premium for RHD. The values are food for thought. I would be more than capable of a resto but I've got to a point in life where i doubt my enthusiasm would hold out. I have been there and done that with early-ish VW's so i know how hard it is.
It does seem that there are several types (generally speaking) of car out there. The restored many years ago but needing work again, the poorly restored and the well restored recently. Fairly obvious which is going to fetch the most. The first type appeals in the drive now pay later stakes(the idea being to restore at a later date, which often comes round far sooner than expected) and the later in the keep forever ideal. Oh dear lots to think about.
Early 911 is a nice idea ( My first 911 was a 3.0l Carrera) but i reckon costs are similar and I really hanker after a 356.
 
Early 911 is a nice idea

A really nice LHD SWB 911 can be had for under £20K, but if you really hanker after a 356 then talk to Roger Bray, Robert Gant (Gantspeed) or Richard King of Karmann Konnection.
 
Thanks chaps,
At the moment I am just thinking aloud. No firm plans. Any move to a good restored car would mean the sale of My 64RS and i'm not really to sure of that move. Off to scratch my head and think a little more.
 
ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs

Thanks chaps,
At the moment I am just thinking aloud. No firm plans. Any move to a good restored car would mean the sale of My 64RS and i'm not really to sure of that move. Off to scratch my head and think a little more.

A 356 ain't a 64RS [:D] To move to an early car you have to accept they're a lot more work than a newer car - and if you're cool with that they're great fun [:)]

If you're in no rush - and would take LHD - have a look around the US forums - also the 356 Registry is worth joining if you want to lurk for a while and learn from owners - importing isn't that difficult, but the 5% VAT break has been removed by HMR&C now.

Happy hunting

Philip
 
I had a really nice concours 66' 1500 Beetle (named Charlotte and featured in Original VW Beetle by Laurence Merideth) which my ex took in the divorce seetlement. It's that that I'm missing I think. An import looks like a reasonable poss, especially with the currrent pound to dollar.
 
ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs

Thanks chaps,
At the moment I am just thinking aloud. No firm plans. Any move to a good restored car would mean the sale of My 64RS and i'm not really to sure of that move. Off to scratch my head and think a little more.

Yes, that's what I said.

However I saw a nice 356 in Porsche Post. Thought "I'll just go for a look and take my wife with me to make sure I don't do anything stupid" I knew when she said "It's lovely, you should buy it" I was in trouble.

It's cool that 356's are usually welcome in the Beetle community, if you're into that. If you can maintain a Beetle a 356 shouldn't be any problem.

Steven
 
my 58A is for sale, needs nothing, was in ultra vw last month.
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So you getting a 356 Laurence........hmmmm can't see the RS being sold anyway..... what about think a new thred for this one.....
 
looked at finances and have decided to put idea on hold. Can't bring myself to sell the RS. And Boxster won't release enough funds. So will have to wait a while longer.
 
Don't put it off too long .......only because 356 values of late have pushed some nice cars up a few % and a few % of £25K starts to push it out of reach each time..

A boxster drops in value how much a month? [8|]
 
Classic car insurance £150 a year

No road tax, saving £180 a year

A car that goes up in value when you don't use it..

I am not finacial expert but all adds up to me..

my collection of 3 cost me £8,100 and I have spent the same again in parts etc to get them to the standard they are at. They are worth £12-15k ( when finished £30K-£32 ) as is for the 54 project.
£9.5-10k for my 69 912 ( £12K when I have finished the engine and interior )
and £7.5K for the 65 car all resonable prices with todays market.
 
ORIGINAL: 912UK

Classic car insurance £150 a year

No road tax, saving £180 a year

A car that goes up in value when you don't use it..

I am not finacial expert but all adds up to me..

my collection of 3 cost me £8,100 and I have spent the same again in parts etc to get them to the standard they are at. They are worth £12-15k ( when finished £30K-£32 ) as is for the 54 project.
£9.5-10k for my 69 912 ( £12K when I have finished the engine and interior )
and £7.5K for the 65 car all resonable prices with todays market.

Amen brother Mark [;)]

Philip
 

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