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ORIGINAL: 944 man

Brakes: new discs, new Pagid(OEM) pads (and NEVER EBC!),

I agree with you more every post you write!
ORIGINAL: edh

I know EBC pads aren't widely recommended - and I don't particularly like them - but they worked for me fade-free on two 924S's & lasted very well, and are half the price of other trackday pads for the 944.

Blocks of cardboard wouldn't fade if they were used either as they wouldn't generate enough friction to do so.

I'm not sure I follow the harness discussion completely. I fitted my harnesses using eyelets screwed into the outside original seatbelt mount and a reinforcing plate on the tunnel, with the straps through the holes in the seat - that's the only way to do it, surely, as you don't want them mounted to the seat or the subframe? My shoulder straps are fitted to eyes where the rear lap belts mounted, but I considered that that was too low so I never used the harnesses. I understood the angle you're looking for is +/- 15 degrees of horizontal and the 45 degrees is a long way in excess of that. My intention was to have a full cage with a bar to attach the shoulder straps to both for optimum angle from the shoulder and to shorten the length of the shoulder straps. I also planned to brace the seat back to it.

I had decided on a full cage after much deliberation finally reasoning that I have the seats as low as possible, my cage was to be a custom weld-in one with no bolting plates at the A or B-pillars and I'd use good padding above the door, which is still not ideal, but that would allow me the best rigidity and allow me to add a door bar which I would expect to add safety. My understanding is that the only negative of a full cage on a road car is the possibility of head injury due to hitting the bar over the door top without a helmet, but have I missed something?
 
Fen

The cage problem is exactly as you describe - with the increased risk of hitting your head in a crash. I believe that most serious head injuries in car accidents are caused by collision with the door frame or pillars. Even without a cage you're sitting fairly close to the shell of the car in a 944.

Wearing a harness without rollover protection means you run an increased risk of injury if the car does go over - you're held immobile in the seat, potentially taking the whole weight of the car, rather than being pushed out of the way if you had a 3 point belt on.

I'd recommend Mintex 1155, Ferodo DS 2500 or PF 97 before EBC's (does that sound better Fen? ) As for EBC reds - they do work - and stopped my cars (both 924S's) without any fuss at Donington, Pembrey and Elvington. They didn't fall apart, in fact they survived a fair few track days & 5 or 6K of road use, but there are better pads, and i wouldn't buy them again unless i was buying very cheap track pads. (fwiw, some of that track time was on your favourite tyre as well [:D]) Donington isn't the hardest on brakes, particularly in a slow car with road tyres, but I've also seen them used elsewhere quite successfully.
 
I've got a box here somewhere of part used EBC's for my current calipers, yellows and reds, neither of which are of any use unless you need a paper weight (and even then there's a fairly high chance that the paper will simply glide away from underneath them). To be honest Fen I think you're being overly harsh on P6000's by making that comparison :ROFLMAO:

I think I'm pretty hard on brakes too, I've flat spotted a couple of sets of front tyres in my quest for maximum braking [;)] Novices are often regarding as putting more heat into tyres as they tend to be on the brakes far longer, allowing a lot more heat to build up. I seem to remember that last time we discussed this (possibly on Titanic) talk turned turned to the best shape of the braking curve, but having just had my tea I'm not sure I want to repeat the conclusion...

I'm getting tempted to sort the brakes on the 944S so I can take part at Donington later on this month, I said I wouldn't, but it'd be good to see how much fun I can have in it given its cost and to prove if my memory is playing tricks on me or not.
 

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