Suspension
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sawood12
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If your suspension parts hasn't been touched since the car was new then the car would benefit from whatever you replace. New shocks will help bodyroll a bit - moreso on bends where the rate of body roll is higher - e.g. flicking the car though a sequence of tight bends, but wont really help longer corners. I favour the spring stiffening route to combat body roll which is why KW is so good as it stiffens the car without compromising ride quality much.
What about Jon's 968 M030 stuff if it is still available?
But for sure you should do 968 castor bushes and ARB bushes.
What about Jon's 968 M030 stuff if it is still available?
But for sure you should do 968 castor bushes and ARB bushes.
Diver944
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Scotty, for your use I would highly recommend just replacing with standard all round. I know the price of the fronts has jumped quite a bit recently so a cheaper option is to fit the Koni inserts to your existing front shocks for circa £100 each and then replace the rears with standard at around £80 each. The Koni inserts are ever so slightly stiffer that standard when on the full soft setting but are still way, way, way softer than the Koni M030 option that I think some people are getting confused with.
All the aftermarket options - Gaz, Leda, KW will be a lot stiffer than tired S2 shocks and I don't think are suitable for your use (I've driven all of them except GAZ)
There will be extra labour involved in cutting your old shocks to fit the Koni insert but it will still work out cheaper than the standard shocks at the moment
All the aftermarket options - Gaz, Leda, KW will be a lot stiffer than tired S2 shocks and I don't think are suitable for your use (I've driven all of them except GAZ)
There will be extra labour involved in cutting your old shocks to fit the Koni insert but it will still work out cheaper than the standard shocks at the moment
944 man
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GAZ do offer quite a broad range, so if I was suggesting GAZ then itd certainly be the cheaper end for James. Weltmesiter ARBs are excellent, but Im not sure that Id suggest using them with standard suspension: better a matched set that Porsche have used on a production car. Considering my own comment above Im going to revise my advice to 944 Turbo M030 anti-roll bars, rather than 968 parts.
There is never going to be a definitive answer as to "best suspension" as so much of it is subjective but if everything on your car is 25 years old then any large-scale replacement of bushes and castor blocks plus a new set of dampers will be a huge improvement on the track, whether it is OE or reputable aftermarket stuff. Some of the aftermarket stuff is too harsh for the road for some people's tastes.
Couple of threads here:
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=573641
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=605718
Couple of threads here:
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=573641
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=605718
Thanks Lowtimer, your thread on your experience was very informative. I had previously read second thread which seems to focus mainly on coilovers. My thoughts on coilovers are they are great for finely tuning and adjusting to suit different tracks and conditions or where other changes to car are involved, like removing weight, fitting cage to stiffen body etc. I would say most people who fit KW's or Gaz to road cars will fit and have them set up then never adjust them.
I would think that fixed rate Shocks like o.e. and Bilstein are designed to be the optimum set-up to suit the cars.
Has anyone fitted Bilstein's or even Spax kit to either a 944 or 968?
Alan.
I would think that fixed rate Shocks like o.e. and Bilstein are designed to be the optimum set-up to suit the cars.
Has anyone fitted Bilstein's or even Spax kit to either a 944 or 968?
Alan.
Neil Haughey
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I think your right Alan, further than that though I think even amongst racers a lot of guys don't fiddle with the setup much for different tracks. Having the ability to adjust something is as much an oppurtunity to muck it up as anything else.
I have done a bit more Parts sourcing on Internet tonight and have found that the front Bilstein are Inserts for Boge Struts (same as Koni's).
I came across a Spax coilover kit for £534 from Larkspeed.
Original Sachs Front Struts and Rear Shocks for £362.36 ( But wood like Lowered Springs so + £100 or so.)
4 Bilsteins and Gmax springs for £534.02 from Europerformance.
Spax PSX kit listed for early cars only.
Any thoughts or opinions on the above?
Thanks, Alan.
I came across a Spax coilover kit for £534 from Larkspeed.
Original Sachs Front Struts and Rear Shocks for £362.36 ( But wood like Lowered Springs so + £100 or so.)
4 Bilsteins and Gmax springs for £534.02 from Europerformance.
Spax PSX kit listed for early cars only.
Any thoughts or opinions on the above?
Thanks, Alan.
I fitted new koni's all round to my S2. Made for a lovely road car but not sufficient for belting around a track. Changed to Gaz Gold. Fine on the road if you can put up with the rear springs occasionally clonking into the body (they all do that sir) and transformed track manners. All depends on what you really want.
Being the recipient of blease' Koni shocks when he changed to Gaz Gold I can say how well the car handles on the road. Very connected and much sharper turn-in, etc.
The setup has 30mm Spax lowering springs too and I dropped the rear on the eccentric adjusters to match too.
The setup has 30mm Spax lowering springs too and I dropped the rear on the eccentric adjusters to match too.
Alan,
My car had covered about 127,000 miles with no indication of changes to the suspension.
I purchased new Sachs front struts and rear dampers which cost about £250.
Rear damper bolts were all in good condition so were reused.
The front was built up using a set of standard springs, etc purchased from eBay however I did have to get new top mounts from Porsche - expensive. Actually bought a pair of S2 quite good front struts cheaply. Top mounts from the ebay purchase were from a late S2 but one was shot, and the other was not much better. The ones on the car had done a high mileage so were probably not much better.
Only option regarding top mounts is the Porsche route - very costly - or track verions at under half the price but with increased noise and harsness.
New strut bolts were purchased from Porsche, but I suspect the originals were probably reusable.
Car rides and steers well.
Mike
White 2.7 automatic
My car had covered about 127,000 miles with no indication of changes to the suspension.
I purchased new Sachs front struts and rear dampers which cost about £250.
Rear damper bolts were all in good condition so were reused.
The front was built up using a set of standard springs, etc purchased from eBay however I did have to get new top mounts from Porsche - expensive. Actually bought a pair of S2 quite good front struts cheaply. Top mounts from the ebay purchase were from a late S2 but one was shot, and the other was not much better. The ones on the car had done a high mileage so were probably not much better.
Only option regarding top mounts is the Porsche route - very costly - or track verions at under half the price but with increased noise and harsness.
New strut bolts were purchased from Porsche, but I suspect the originals were probably reusable.
Car rides and steers well.
Mike
White 2.7 automatic
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