Silver Rose For Sale...

[Frenchy]

Absolutely no vendaetta with 997 Porsche, i would love one on my drive, but saying a 944 Turbo S is not a classic just an "old car" makes you look as though you do not really appreciate older Porsches as classics.
The amount of Porsche 996 /997 Porsche owners who have said to me, had one of those. brilliant/ wish i still had it is a regular occurence.
The trouble with the newer cars is that a lot of the "driver pleasure / input" is taken away due to computers in the cra overiding driver input/control, a recent blast around Oulton in a 964 RS then a 997 GT3 RS confirmed that to me which was all lights gongs and warnings.
My arris does that for me in my cars...........Classic !
Merry Xmas to you Sir.
Watch this space on 944 Turbo Values.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I had a back to back run with a 997TT in my coupe (around 350BHP), the owner of the 997 was surprised how close the performance of my car was, it probably helped that I held mine sideways for about 100m off a roundabout. I actually don't think it was as close as he thought but certainly not a massive gulf.

I had one of the best drives of my life chasing a Scirocco TDI through all the roundabouts from the M40 to Silverstone. Admittedly my suspension needs a refurb, but I was really fighting to keep him from getting away. On real UK roads, in real conditions, modern machinery can really surprise you.

Even with older cars, I'd guess that most elderly Imprezas would keep a 997 turbo in sight on a wet b-road in December, and you could easily buy one for the price of a 944. [8|]

 

[Copperman05]

Back on topic...[8|]

Cars, classic or not are worth what people are willing to pay for them, whilst the Turbo S is a rare, present and future collectable I'm not sure its reached the £20,000 mark yet.

Edd

 

[MarkK]

Not in a little while when all the Chinese and eastern car collectors have started to buy all the good 944 Turbos up,and the prices start to climb.

 

[DavidL]

If one was going to become valuable then that model would be it. If its spotless and completely original and I had a spare 20K (and I mean spare that I wouldn't notice) and I didn't want to use it for more than 1000 miles a year or so then maybe just maybe it might be worth a punt.
No doubt these individuals exist but it almost defeats the object of a "car" but then it would be a 20th or 30th car so transport would be taken care of in so many other ways I imagine!

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

I had a back to back run with a 997TT in my coupe (around 350BHP), the owner of the 997 was surprised how close the performance of my car was, it probably helped that I held mine sideways for about 100m off a roundabout. I actually don't think it was as close as he thought but certainly not a massive gulf.

I had one of the best drives of my life chasing a Scirocco TDI through all the roundabouts from the M40 to Silverstone. Admittedly my suspension needs a refurb, but I was really fighting to keep him from getting away. On real UK roads, in real conditions, modern machinery can really surprise you.

Even with older cars, I'd guess that most elderly Imprezas would keep a 997 turbo in sight on a wet b-road in December, and you could easily buy one for the price of a 944. [8|]

This was the son of a friend, me passengering in his car, him in mine, would let him drive mine 3rd party - didn't want to drive drive his without some substantial insurance cover in place!
Tony

 

[MarkK]

I have just looked on PH and I definitely see a trend of an upwards creep,there is an 86 with not low miles for 7k,plus a few more,a little while back there would have been no chance of cars fetching what some people are asking.
Cast your minds back and look at PH and you will see what I mean.

 

[Ewan]

I'd love a nice silver rose, and would only consider one with original pink check interior. But not at 20k. I wonder what the garage told the previous owner it was worth when he/she sold it to them? 12? That's what I'd give for it - making it the most expensive (non race prepared) 944 turbo sold in the UK this year.

Having just put mine in for a respray my bill on 944 work in 2012 alone is up to around the 13k mark, so I am as motivated as anyone to talk up the values. But let's be real.

And talking of being real, can we stop pretending that 944 turbos are as fast as 996 turbos or 997 turbos? Because on most roads in most conditions, they're not. I accept that my modified 944 turbo can keep up with my annoyingly wide 6.0 lt Diablo on a narrow, bumpy, twisty country lane. But when the road straightens a tad and the hedges move apart - bye bye Porsche. Just because we all own and love 944's doesn't mean we should loose our ability to judge them with impartiality.

 

[Frenchy]

David, that is the 944 to buy for holding it's money with absololutely no disrespect to other 944 type owners, good S2's should be worth more but as already said they are only worth what people are prepared to pay for them.
Early Lux cars also float peoples boat (mine included)
Whatever happens i am sure the majority of us will still keep, driving, tinkering, tuning, and cleaning "our" Classics.

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: Ewan

I'd love a nice silver rose, and would only consider one with original pink check interior. But not at 20k. I wonder what the garage told the previous owner it was worth when he/she sold it to them? 12? That's what I'd give for it - making it the most expensive (non race prepared) 944 turbo sold in the UK this year.

Having just put mine in for a respray my bill on 944 work in 2012 alone is up to around the 13k mark, so I am as motivated as anyone to talk up the values. But let's be real.

And talking of being real, can we stop pretending that 944 turbos are as fast as 996 turbos or 997 turbos? Because on most roads in most conditions, they're not. I accept that my modified 944 turbo can keep up with my annoyingly wide 6.0 lt Diablo on a narrow, bumpy, twisty country lane. But when the road straightens a tad and the hedges move apart - bye bye Porsche. Just because we all own and love 944's doesn't mean we should loose our ability to judge them with impartiality.

Having spent about 20 laps behind a well driven 996 turbo (with the power upgrade x50?) at silverstone I think they might be closer than you think. I was impressed with the way it recovered when it drifted wide onto the grass at over 100mph, I was braking expecting carnage and it was all collected quite neatly. I think I would have spun into the wall.
Edited to add - mine was far from standard
Tony

 

[George Elliott]

Matt,
when you read this after Christmas, you will be relieved to hear that I have not driven a 997TT although I admire them immensely as a quick, comfy, hardwearing motorcar. The variable geometry Turbo technology appeals to me although I'd be a bit disappointed by the actuator quality. Modern Porsche quality can be, well you know - you had some of the better made cars produced by Audi....

I will try one as you suggest, but for me 911's are better suited, and purer, without four wheel drive or Computer interrupted controls, and similarly, they should have a proper roof, and a manual gearbox, and a limited slip diff, and PCCB is nice as it reduces unsprung mass. (Thats why i keep a 996GT2 and a 964RS in the garage for the summer time. They are pure 911's to me, and they have a character which is really unique). There is no bigger Fan of a real 911 on this forum than me, but I am aware of their limitations too.

When the 997TT halves in value again in a few more years or maybe less, then perhaps, a winter car.....food for thought certainly.

For me, a professionally modified 951 is a quick, comfy, hardwearing, exceptionally poised and very stable motorcar, with all the feel of a rear driven, front engined 1350kg Coupe. I would not be childish enough to compete with you on a public road, but on a given journey in poor conditions you would have whiter knuckles than me as you faced a big puddle on the road, or strong crosswinds at autobahn speeds. I'm 105% confident of that[]

When you have the opportunity (a Silver Rose is a perfect Base Car) to drive such a 951, - try one

Wishing you a great Christmas and New Year
George
944t

 

[CarreraRSR]

All this talk of valuations and depreciation, 944T v's 997TT is making this thread feel like I'm on Pistonheads FFS!! []

 

[eddieedmo]

It is a very special car,I have seen it when I have been doing work for Gmund.As for pricing it is what someone will pay.

Nick []

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: CarreraRSR

All this talk of valuations and depreciation, 944T v's 997TT is making this thread feel like I'm on Pistonheads FFS!! []

Thatd need more bitching about OPCs and whining about warranties... Also, itll require a couple of people who cant afford the car theyve bought to turn on anyone who mentions depreciation or reliability issues... []

 

[ian nott]

If the car is any good.....no rust, good history etc then I think it is cheap. These cars are sleepers! By the way what is a RHD 1973 RS touring worth these days? This is my first post tho I have belonged to the PCGB for about 15 years.

 

[Copperman05]

If I were to buy a turbo it would probably be a Turbo S but the potential issue for me with this car is that although the car is a rare limited edition and remains in small numbers, later versions of the Turbo are so similarly spec'ed with 250bhp, m030 brakes, etc, the car ends up being somewhat watered down.

If the Turbo S's fireworks hadn't been pee'd on by later turbo's then the silver rose may already have been commanding the £20,000 price tag we see here.

Just look at the 968 Turbo S... if you can find one....


Edd

 

[Frenchy]

I believe GMUND are selling it on behalf of the owner.....................996 TT are the supercar bargain of the century IMO, but 2 kids, 2 dogs a mortgage and all that goes restricts me in the wonga department at the moment.
I think the 997 TT prices will drop as the 996 has aswell, a mate struggeld to sell a beautiful Black on Black 997 Carrera 2, 100% perfect ?
Seems as though the aircooled 911 is holding their money as against the waterpumpers, but as we all know on here nowt wrong with waterpumpers.
Just got some 16" 951 Fuchs for my 220 thats a grand on the value (or they are coming off should i sell)
Merry Chrimbo All []

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: ian nott

If the car is any good.....no rust, good history etc then I think it is cheap. These cars are sleepers! By the way what is a RHD 1973 RS touring worth these days? This is my first post tho I have belonged to the PCGB for about 15 years.

I hate to disagree with your first post in 15 years! [][]

There are rare and collectable cars that will only go up in value; 1973 RS might well be a good example. A 944 just isn't a rare or sought after car for the sort of collector who has a garage full of immaculate, unused metal. A 924 CGT perhaps, 959 maybe, that sort of thing.

The rarest of 944s would be a Cup car with race provenance and proof of famous drivers, I'd have thought. They might have a value in the future, but I'd really not advise anyone to buy a 944 with the view it will rise in value more than it costs to own. [&o]

 

[MarkK]

Sorry I disagree Paul,prices of good cars are creeping the right way,yup it won't be a 1973 rs of course, but a price that will more justify the bills that need paying to keep a car like this in fine fettle.
Good ones are not going down,look at PH the market dictates the price,collectors just want one of everything and with lots dying due to everyday use and poor upkeep plus ones that will be exported,in the words of Yaz,the only way is up maybe not skyhigh but the right way anyway.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: MarkK

Sorry I disagree Paul,prices of good cars are creeping the right way,yup it won't be a 1973 rs of course, but a price that will more justify the bills that need paying to keep a car like this in fine fettle.
Good ones are not going down,look at PH the market dictates the price,collectors just want one of everything and with lots dying due to everyday use and poor upkeep plus ones that will be exported,in the words of Yaz,the only way is up maybe not skyhigh but the right way anyway.

Hi Mark,

I sort of agree with you, but look at it this way:

A good turbo costs you, say, £10K to buy. That's £10K you've got tied up in financing it, or that could be doing something else, so you're losing an amount every year before we start. Say 4% interest from an account, less some tax, and it's still a few hundred a year. We say you need £1000 a year minimum to run the cars, plus tax and insurance, and you're likely to be up to the thick end of £2K a year to buy and run a turbo of exceptional quality, perhaps a bit less if you cut back costs by sorn-ing it for 6 months and don't put much petrol in. (Let's face it, how many potential buyers of this £20K turbo will be cutting costs by doing their own spannering, and thus losing the service history?)

So, your £10K turbo will be costing you, say, 15-20% of it's value every year. Do we really, in all honesty, think that it will rise in value by that amount, consistently, over the next ten years? I don't. Buy a 944 to use and enjoy, don't complain about the running costs as they are relatively low for the quality of the cars, and put your pension money into something more secure! []

There might well be a market where serious collectors or museums want exceptional cars. I still struggle with the idea that a 944 turbo is a car that Jay Leno or the like will cross the world to buy. A cup car, perhaps, or a 968 CS or Turbo, but not a 944 Turbo S. My money would still be on old race cars, extremely rare exotica and vintage machinery as the only way you will even cover the cost of ownership, let alone make a profit.