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Rob's 944S track car thread

Thanks for the replies guys. Wheel is out of line and steering wheel has also been knocked off centre if that makes sense. Looked under the car but nothing looks obviously bent or damaged so I'm not sure why the wheel is out (looks like more than tracking).

I can take my Honda S2000 to Silverstone so that's not too much a worry.

New wing from PS is like 700quid! Seen some on eBay but no drivers side unless fibreglass. Where would people recommend for fibreglass? Will also give PorscheApart a call Monday.
 
Id speak to Simon at Pro-9. Theyre crap; but all GRP panels are crap to a greater or lesser degree. Id probably buy a pair of wings and a bonnet; chuff about fitting both wings at once, and turn this LoT moment into a positive for the car.

If you really want an original wing, then do what Paul suggests (remove the liner, bash it sort-of-right, mend the steering arm etc) and then bide your time waiting for a dent part to come available. Id expect to pay between £75 and £100 for a good wing, although you can always pay more, of course. I wouldnt EVER deal with the people you mentioned - £700? Im with the fellow from CAS, when it comes to PS........
 
Yes never will deal with PS again already returned some stuff to them - just as a point of comparison really.

Thanks for the tip in Simon.
 
Let me expand further (not on the CAS - PS matter, you have to know what happened to get the joke, which was quite serious):

Simon / Pro-9s panels arent crap, theyre alright and good for the money - but all GRP panels are crap compared to OEM panels. I will fit his wings and bonnet to my new car.


Simon
 

ORIGINAL: rsmith944

New wing from PS is like 700quid! Seen some on eBay but no drivers side unless fibreglass. Where would people recommend for fibreglass? Will also give PorscheApart a call Monday.
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Rob, there are two drivers side wings on Ebay right now.

I am restoring a turbo se and recently needed to get 2 replacement wings. I looked into fibreglass ones but opted for replacement originals as the feedback from others suggested it was more hassle than it was worth.

I ended up finding wings via someone breaking a turbo on Gumtree (of all places).

Finally, OPC will be cheaper for the wings than Porscheshop - or at least my own investigation proved that to be the case!
 
Interesting mate about more hassle than it's worth. It is a track car though, not a road car if that changes anything? Found the two wings, my search was too specific!
 

ORIGINAL: rsmith944

Interesting mate about more hassle than it's worth. It is a track car though, not a road car if that changes anything? Found the two wings, my search was too specific!
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Hassle referred to relates to getting a good fit and paint finish. For track purposes I suspect you'd live with the paint but if you're fitting replacement wings then I'm sure you'd want a good fit. [:)]
 
I do but I guess I could do most of that work. Possibly going to wrap the car in Vinyl for promotional purposes so paint def not a worry.
 
Fitting GRP wings isnt 'more hassle than its worth'; although making them right on a road car will be. Even the best panels will cost more in prep labour than they save in their purchase price.

For a track car theyre nothing like as much trouble, so long as you have a Dremel... [:D]
 
I may need to purchase a dremel :) Just seems that while I already need a new wing, why not save some weight for a similar cost?
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Fitting GRP wings isnt 'more hassle than its worth'; although making them right on a road car will be.  Even the best panels will cost more in prep labour than they save in their purchase price.

For a track car theyre nothing like as much trouble, so long as you have a Dremel...  [:D]
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Sorry, to put my statements in context, they relate to what I was told for my road car. One other thing I was told is that the GRP wings are approx half the weight of originals? I have a couple of original wings in the garage and they are pretty light anyway so the GRP must be very light!

Do you need to consider these as a modification though and tell your insurer? This was also suggested to me on the thread I posted at the time (either on here or on TIPEC - can't remember).
 
Yes on both counts and you may well have problems with insurance. On my S2 for example I found that the combination of FG parts and welded in roll cage made it a no go for most insurers including the specialist ones. In the end I went with REIS as a competition car (which it is anyway), basically the same sort of thing you need for a rally car. About 400 quid a year at the moment including fully comp cover for 1/2 a dozen or so trackdays so not bad really.

You can all have a look at my panels on Monday, the bonnet wings and front bumper all came from the same source as Simon mentions, the whole little fettled to fit by EMC. (headlights are standard S2 items and badge panel is from a 2.7 for reference).
 

ORIGINAL: simkin911

Sorry, to put my statements in context, they relate to what I was told for my road car. One other thing I was told is that the GRP wings are approx half the weight of originals? I have a couple of original wings in the garage and they are pretty light anyway so the GRP must be very light!

Do you need to consider these as a modification though and tell your insurer? This was also suggested to me on the thread I posted at the time (either on here or on TIPEC - can't remember).
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Well in theory you should tell everything to your insurer right - different brake pads, seats removed, harnesses. I don't know - everything! As a track car too the more we do to it the less we'll road drive it instead trailer it maybe. I would imagine a road car would need a proper wing for shut lines and overall durability.
 
If the bottom of the dented wing isn't rusty, keep the bottom as I'm sure somebody will want it as a repair section. I used lux wing bottoms to repair my turbo wings.
 
A pair of wings and a bonnet will save a massive amount of weight
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For me, fitting them was far from 2 mins work, but for the money I thought they were pretty reasonable. Depends how fussy you want to be I guess.

FG front wings weighed in at 3kg each - replacing the 6.5kg originals (although these were early wings covered in maybe 1.5kg of thick underseal, later cars with plastic liners may be less).

The bonnet ended up at 11.5kg (original 19.5kg) although I must have added at least 1kg of filler to make it flat. This turned out to be a bit of a waste of time since it all moved and re-settled into a ripple finish once it got hot [&o] . I see it as a character feature...

I also fitted a pattern Carrera GT front splitter/light holder. It came as a plane panel from Pro-9 so I had to make my own mounts out of rejected bits of the original light panel. I also glassed-in some 3" brake ducts into the lower vents. One downside - If you happen to hit a pheasant(for example[8|]) - fibreglass doesn't bend like PU, a large chunk just falls off.

So, in summary, around a 16kg saving on the wings and bonnet.
 
hmmm, 16kg, although good, is not as much as I was expecting. I guess I'm still in easy land where I'm removing 12kg of sound deadening and replacing electric seat with a bucket though...
 
Yup, it gets increasingly more difficult.

I got my 8-valve down to 1095kg with a 1/2 tank of fuel, 40kg roll cage and interior carpet/trim.

I know what you mean. An issue with fibre glass is having enough of it to cover that enormous bonnet opening whilst being stiff enough to not flap around. Still, removing the equivalent of a large car battery, or spare wheel, from a centre of mass point around the area of the cylinder head has to be fairly significant. Obviously scope for any other reductions in this area are next to none.

Alternatively there are increasingly more carbon fibre alternatives on the market now, offering stiffness improvements and an extra few kilos saving. From memory they were around 3x the price of fibreglass.
 
Id be extremely interested in hearing what youve removed and what youve replaced to achieve that weight (which is very low, btw).

I presume that you have done this on an un-prepared bodyshell?


Simon
 
Ref camber think i had 3 deg neg on my 924S, running Ledas (ace)

ref seats I mated cheaper base mount bucket bseats to the original Porsche runners it worked v well just needed a tiny bit of welding small plates on & drilling to mount, worked ace as mounted 'em v low- im 6ft 4 so I needed it & was v handy having the runners.

I lost 100kg v easily from stock without plexi glass hatch- (couldnt find one anywhere) or grp panels & still with the heavy battery, radio, rear wiper heater etc etc .I even kept the carpet but removed sound deadening underneath.

Bit of a thread here.

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=566363&mpage=1&key=&#566363
 
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