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[mnk303]

So with all this chat about the 991, how many people on here were actually asked, or have received a call or been contacted by Porsche after the event to see if they would like to test drive or place an order for a new car?

As a businessman I am amazed that not every single one of us have not been asked our intentions! When I have held big events in the past I make sure my staff have called or spoken to everyone within days! And before someone says, some of the events I have held have certainly had over 500 visitors, most Porsche centres were seeing no more that that.

BTW I have not, and actually may well be interested (but likely wait until one of you kind boys or girls have taken the initial deprecation, paid for all the optins and done 5k miles) [][]! Maybe they expect the buyer to chase!

 

[hdoherty]

Well guys
I really have to say the car is far to expensive. Things like the sunroof and the badging on the back of the cars is a real turnoff. Honestly i believe Porsche have overstepped the mark with the 991. Im going to wait for 6 months to see.
Regards

 

[garyw]

I actually had a phonecall today asking about booking a test drive, I've postponed it until the new year.

I agree that the cost for the 991 is too much, however Porsche have always been expensive cars, I think its only been the fact that how inflation has worked that they have been affordable to the masses, maybe they are looking to be more exclusive once again?
Just a thought..

garyw

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: garyw

they have been affordable to the masses

Really? I think looking through the new registrations since 2001 here

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110509101621/http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/vehicles/licensing/

sad as that may be, the numbers of Porsches registered would not fall into that category Gary? Or maybe it's just the affluent part of the country in which you live that gives that impression![]

 

[mnk303]

I don't really know, I can't see where Porsche are going, is it to reduce numbers but increase exclusivity? Or to Increase volume and cost? Then it is to go up market? Remember that Porsche have always been the cheaper Supercar, as said before, now their Turbo, RS models will now be in the Ferrari and Aston arena.

Looking back IMO they want to move the 911 up market allowing space for other models and also go above the 911 head to head against the 458 and 599 which they have not been.

For me personally I moved away from Ferrari because of the reliability and cost, but now may well start looking back again especially at the California new or the 458 used or even the Masserati which for me is still one of the best looking super cars.......mind you I do fancy the Merc SLS Roadster!

 

[lamboman]

ORIGINAL: hdoherty

Well guys
I really have to say the car is far to expensive. Things like the sunroof and the badging on the back of the cars is a real turnoff. Honestly i believe Porsche have overstepped the mark with the 991. Im going to wait for 6 months to see.
Regards

Sunroof is an option, as is badge delete (but you cannot delete "PORSCHE").

it's not expensive bearing in mind increased spec, and VAT going from 17.5% to 20%. In fact, when you compare to German prices, UK prices are about 15% less.

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: lamboman

ORIGINAL: hdoherty

Well guys
I really have to say the car is far to expensive. Things like the sunroof and the badging on the back of the cars is a real turnoff. Honestly i believe Porsche have overstepped the mark with the 991. Im going to wait for 6 months to see.
Regards

Sunroof is an option, as is badge delete (but you cannot delete "PORSCHE").

it's not expensive bearing in mind increased spec, and VAT going from 17.5% to 20%. In fact, when you compare to German prices, UK prices are about 15% less.

Yep as long as you dont mind paying for options you may/not want to of have chosen in the first place, but Germans also earn on average 20- 25% more than UK salaries

 

[hdoherty]

Yeah
I know the badges and sunroof are options but really when you look at the sunroof design its like something from 20 years ago and those badges. Im a little bit worried about the signals porsche are sending out, if that the best they can do well ?????. I ran my 991 carrera s convertible spec thru the configurator and it ended up at 103K without pccb even. Now thats an expensive car.

 

[jdpef356]

If no one orders perhpas the price will go down[:-] - the market (including Porsche cars) is driven by its customers[]

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356



If no one orders perhpas the price will go down[:-] - the market (including Porsche cars) is driven by its customers[]

Well just done what I would like for a C2s and it came to £86,797.00 "gulp" I doubt a dealer would give me that for my GT3RS (Aug 2010) with 3000 miles on the clock and my car is certainly IMO a superior car to even a 991 C2S

O well back to dreaming

 

[hdoherty]

Guys

Have i missed something here, base price for a carrera s is 74.5K, base price for a carrera cab s is 83K, were do they get the 9K difference. Uk equipment for both cars is 6.7k extra. I know its a super roof and ????. Now i have moved from Dell to Apple imac, have i a problem with my computer. Certainley a 3-5 K diff between carrera and carrera cab would be acceptable. Really were are the prices going to be for carrera 4 , carrera 4s and the turbo going to be. I have always been a porsche supporter, and have owned 930 turbo, 9932s, 993 turbo,9964s, 997 gen 1 turbo, 997gen2 gt3, 3.2 speedster, the earlier cars were so much more reliable and so i hated there 2 year guarantee in the 996 and 997 models. Because of the price of the cars and really because so many failures on rms ,ims, coil packs, radiators etc within 2 years. Has anyone noticed that the third year warranty on the 991 is an extra under the equipment price ????. Really i would expect Porsche to have a 5 year unlimited warranty with all their cars today. Most of all the Porsche cars i have owned only had 3K miles a year and yes as you have envisaged , 2 year old car, 3K miles first service £700.00 gbp. the 100 point check to renew warranty, 118.00gbp and then 1400.00gbp for another year warranty. I love the cars but it does not add up, well it does Porsche are a very profitable company.

 

[pwebb]

Had a follow up call from my man at Swindon this morning - and he said that test drives were converting into firm orders. Can't imagine that any sales person would not be on the case with every test drive prospect. The dealer launch may have been a bit different, not all the invitees were obvious prospects from some of the people I spoke to.

The price of the car is definitely pushing the car up the scale again, but there are a couple of points worth remembering - the VAT at 20%, standard kit which now includes Satnav, 20" wheels and ptv on the S, for instance. Taking like for like, the new car is about £3k more than the outgoing car. I've always struggled to see how the cab can cost £8.5k more than the coupe.

 

[dpoynton]

A good businessman will sell his products for what he can get for them, you can bet they have thought long and hard how much they should charge - they don't want "egg on their faces" if the 991 launch were to flop.

Presumably, they believe that they can sell all their expected production at this (RRP) price level.

D

 

[lowndes]

ORIGINAL: pwebb
The price of the car is definitely pushing the car up the scale again, but there are a couple of points worth remembering - the VAT at 20%, standard kit which now includes Satnav, 20" wheels and ptv on the S, for instance. Taking like for like, the new car is about £3k more than the outgoing car. I've always struggled to see how the cab can cost £8.5k more than the coupe.

On that basis Peter I think the price is pretty fair. As regards pushing the car up the (price/quality) scale I think they have been trying to recover lost ground over a number of years. Of the cars I have owned the 930 had the best quality materials and the nadir was reached with the 996C4. The 997, though an improvement over 996, still had not got back to the 930 or even 993 levels of detailing and materials. [Note this has nothing to do with handling and performance where the 930 was a dinosaur in comparison]

As my current vehicle isn't exactly worn out, I am planning to wait and see how owners find the new car. Then if reports are favourable a turbo in 2013 seems a plan. Price? Checking my records for turbos, a 996 was around £85k on the road. 997Gen 1 circa £100k, 997gen 2 £125k So my guess is little change out of £150k for a reasonably specified 991 turbo. Ouch.

 

[tscaptain]

Hey, look on the bright side. The 295/30/20 rear tyres on the 991S have nearly a 4% greater circumference than the current 295/30/19 - so you will get 4% more miles out of them before they need replacing.[]
Just entered that competition they are running to configure my "perfect" 991. £99k [] (and that was for the non-S!)
www.porsche.co.uk/build911

 

[bobfair]

The problem is that horsepower/performance has always cost money and the new model is as fast as my GT 3. A well specified Turbo will be around £150k but will have performance very close to a 458 and will be £50k cheaper so on a performance per pound basis still looks reasonable compared to other prestigious competition. That is unless you want to compare to say an M5 which has over 500HP and lots of performance for £72k or a GT R. The new V8 Bentley is starting to look like a bargain!!

 

[Alex L]

When I filled out my request form for a test drive, they did ask if I was thinking of purchasing one - I said not until the turbo no. They immediately pencilled that on the form.

Probably why I haven't had a test drive yet!

 

[Oggy]

ORIGINAL: bobfair
A well specified Turbo will be around £150k but will have performance very close to a 458...

Disagree []...

I expect 991 Turbo will have performance even further away from the 458 if this clip of one up against a Turbo S is anything to go by []

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSHL5_yIvII&feature=BFa&list=PL7F8D43F4D6620616&lf=results_video

Ferraris are for posers, Porsches are for drivers....discuss []

 

[Alex L]

I already have more power/speed than I know what to do with.

To get me to part with 150k a 991 Turbo will have to do a lot more than drive faster round the ring, or in drag races - for starters it will have to look 10 times sexier than the 991 Carrera, sound as good as a 997 GT3 RS 4.0, and have a degree of exclusivity (limited production numbers). Either that, or actually fly.

 

[Oggy]

Either that, or actually fly

Does yours not ?? []

Actually, I couldn't agree more...

I only have my car as a hobby and for weekend fun. Have honestly never said "I wish it was just that bit faster"....even with only 480bhp on tap []

A good friend of mine has a TVR 400SE he bought off E-Bay for £5k. Is very rare and gets lots of attention at car meets, has NEVER broken down, sounds simply amazing (4.0L V8 through a stainless exhaust) and is still fast enough to make you smile. Costs nothing to run and is now worth more like £8-10k....makes you think (if you are not a millionaire as I'm not unfortunately) []

Anyway, slight diversion here....991 is amazing and Turbo will be even more so....worth £150k...irrelevant really as if you are even considering buying one, price must simply not be a consideration for you []