Anyone with classicline approached them regarding the validity of their cover on public ring days?? Anyone mangaed to obtain cover for public days ??
Ring public day insurance cover!
- Thread starter Laurence Gibbs
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so you take your car round there at your own risk then ? or do you get cover elsewhere?
OllieW
New member
Bottom line - yes...
Personally when i do a lap its at a pace i am comfortable at, nothing to prove to anyone and I've always driven it like I drive a fast A-road, you don't know what around the next corner!
I'll never learn the circuit and never want to try and extract an 8 minute lap from the RS so the risk is just the other users trying to prove they are a legend.
Probably jinxed it now for this year and will wipe out at massive speed somewhere!!!
Personally when i do a lap its at a pace i am comfortable at, nothing to prove to anyone and I've always driven it like I drive a fast A-road, you don't know what around the next corner!
I'll never learn the circuit and never want to try and extract an 8 minute lap from the RS so the risk is just the other users trying to prove they are a legend.
Probably jinxed it now for this year and will wipe out at massive speed somewhere!!!
You will be lucky to find suitable cover Laurence and at what cost £££???
Surely it is best to take it relatively easy and if there were to be an incident on your foreign trip, perhaps it happened on a quiet b road in Belgium somewhere, covered under your green card
Hope it doesn't come to that .
Surely it is best to take it relatively easy and if there were to be an incident on your foreign trip, perhaps it happened on a quiet b road in Belgium somewhere, covered under your green card
Hope it doesn't come to that .
It's a real grey area is'nt it and that's a shame. Going by all received wisdom the ring on a public day is a German road and if you took out european road cover by law you insurer "should" cover you at least 3rd party on the ring. The "clause in this is the general exclusions mentioned in your policy document. Specifically "driving on race circuits" my personal view and the one i would hope any legal team would take up is the definition of race circuit when applied to a "public road". Following logical conclution you should not drive the isle of man TT circuit (public road) reims ex gp circuit (public road) or many other ex circuits either. Bit of a farce really.
Olly regardless of how YOU drive there are always other factors too (OIL spills, other riders or drivers crashing in front of you etc) What happens if you hit one of them. According to your own admission your not covered?
Olly regardless of how YOU drive there are always other factors too (OIL spills, other riders or drivers crashing in front of you etc) What happens if you hit one of them. According to your own admission your not covered?
DSCBoy
New member
This insurance debate is one of the reasons why the road outside Knockhill circuit is one of the UK's worst blackspots... amazing how many guys end up in the ditch on a nice straight road... ;-)
Sadly I think this is the normal approach on the Ring as well, if the worst happens, a small contribution to the beer fund of the towing crew and get them to push you in a ditch a couple of km from the circuit.
Clearly morally objectional behaviour which I couldn't possibly condone... but I know a few insurance companies who are a touch light on morals as well in the face of a claim...
Sadly I think this is the normal approach on the Ring as well, if the worst happens, a small contribution to the beer fund of the towing crew and get them to push you in a ditch a couple of km from the circuit.
Clearly morally objectional behaviour which I couldn't possibly condone... but I know a few insurance companies who are a touch light on morals as well in the face of a claim...
problem is it's all a little naive too. The insurance companies are'nt stupid. Nowadays they can have spotters at the circuit and the simple expediant of a telephone call to the circuit can be all it takes. With the ring in particular, the tow truck is called out and so presumably logged especially if you hit the armco and damage it, as you get the bill! Armco leaves specific damage that soft verges don't etc.
Good article in circuit driver this month explains well.
Good article in circuit driver this month explains well.
Plates covered, how many yellow porsche drive the ring daily???..
For us occasional ring visitors, it makes sense to drive at <8/10 tenths making ourselves aware of the locals in £500 cars who have perhaps thousands of laps under their wheels.....surely the only way to drive the ring properly these days is on a private trackday, or VLN race!
For us occasional ring visitors, it makes sense to drive at <8/10 tenths making ourselves aware of the locals in £500 cars who have perhaps thousands of laps under their wheels.....surely the only way to drive the ring properly these days is on a private trackday, or VLN race!
the local police who monitor the track on occasion, will probably want a nice chat if you cover your plates on a public day!
DSCBoy
New member
Well I can vouch that the Ring police don't have much of a sense of humour... I got into a tad of trouble driving a full race car (no plates, tax, insurance, working lights, failed to produce my papers...) back to the pits after being turfed off the circuit at Breidsheid (?)... think they'd have been more understanding if I'd all 4 tyres inflated though...
Certainly won't be pushing my luck with them again... I can see the argument for taking it easy around the Ring, it's a daft place to be trying to set a laptime... but the surface conditions can vary so much as Laurence points out, that you can come across a sump full of oil at some point and be a passenger heading directly for the scene of the accident.
I love the place, but I'd be very wary about taking my road car around for anything more than a potter... a roll cage being an absolute minimum imho if you are going to push, then you need serious brakes, then u might as well get a little race car and do some VLN... sadly we may have reached the point where our RS's are just too valuable to be risked around there... that said, saw Klaus Ludwig racing historics around there in an original '74 RSR... but we're not all as talented as him!
Rick
Certainly won't be pushing my luck with them again... I can see the argument for taking it easy around the Ring, it's a daft place to be trying to set a laptime... but the surface conditions can vary so much as Laurence points out, that you can come across a sump full of oil at some point and be a passenger heading directly for the scene of the accident.
I love the place, but I'd be very wary about taking my road car around for anything more than a potter... a roll cage being an absolute minimum imho if you are going to push, then you need serious brakes, then u might as well get a little race car and do some VLN... sadly we may have reached the point where our RS's are just too valuable to be risked around there... that said, saw Klaus Ludwig racing historics around there in an original '74 RSR... but we're not all as talented as him!
Rick
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