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Rebuilt Ball Joints - Design Flaw?

John Sims

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As mentioned previously Beaky let me down at the recent track day due to a lower wishbone ball joint failure.

The ball joints themselves were of the replacement kit variety and differed from the standard after market kit in that the pins were slightly longer to readdress geometry changes through lower springs.

Anyway, after some thought I am given to wonder if the kit design is flawed. Under normal use the suspension is in equilibrium with the weight of the car being taken on the top mounts. All the wishbone and balljoint do is locate the bottom of the strut horizontally. Any forces on the ball joint are side to side.

However, when you bring an anti roll bar into the equation you are then introducing upward and downward forces on the wishbone. These ball joint kits have a cup and a spring to keep the ball located in the top of the ball joint . Surely this spring must be forced to compress if you push the wishbone up - as might happen under heavy cornering loads transferred across the cat by the roll bar?

Another thing - The original Porsche ball joints have epoxy poured in on top of the cap (when upside down). I had thought this was just to stop people tampering with them but now believe it also helps to hold the retaining split ring in its slot. This being the case, if you have rebuilt ball joints and haven't epoxy filled the back, (whether my thoughts above are correct or not) I would certainly do the epoxy.

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Good information John. Its not clear from your post just how the joints failed but looking at the pictures I'm guessing the bottom spring retainer popped out? I thought the epoxy on the original joints was mostly to seal the bottom of the joints from dirt and water because there are no grease fittings. Having said that - the replacement joints (available from the US anyway) supply a very thin spring retainer that goes around twice to come close to the original thickness of the Porsche retaining clip. I agree that epoxy would very likely help to keep these retainers in place as they must be more flexible than the stock clips.

I epoxied mine when when I changed joints (because they told me to - and supplied the epoxy in the kit - and the original epoxy was very easy to remove)
 
I suppose epoxy does not hold attachment spring at all, epoxy is just to seal the cap, so moisture & dirty does not harm ball joint.

Here's control arms we did for son's 951 project


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They look a great deal better than the ones I had.

I agree that the epoxy isn't there to stop the split ring comment out as its primary reason but there is no way the ring can come out while its there.
 
Hi, can I ask where you got the joints from. Thanks
ORIGINAL: os951

I suppose epoxy does not hold attachment spring at all, epoxy is just to seal the cap, so moisture & dirty does not harm ball joint.

Here's control arms we did for son's 951 project


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