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rogertill

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I own a 997 Gen1 Turbo Tiptronic. My car is driven regularly (93,000 miles) and serviced and maintained by an independent specialist, Mark and his team at Addspeed in Horsham.

At the beginning of this year, I began to notice a problem. When gently stopping the car from a slow speed there was a significant clunk, as if the gearbox had dropped into first. However, it was still in second, which is normal when not in sport mode.

I immediately took the car to Mark who checked the transmission/engine mounts, suspension, prop shaft and drive shafts. He noticed that the rear prop shaft coupling had split and it was replaced. This appeared to solve the problem.

Unfortunately, because of family health issues, I was not able to drive the car for many months. However, in September I drove to the local main Porsche agent, a return journey of over 60 miles. During the drive I again noticed that the car still clunked when slowly stopping, but in addition, when in 5th gear at 50 M.P.H. if the throttle was feathered and then gently reapplied there was a significant clunk before the transmission appeared to reengage. This also happened in 4th gear at 40 M.P.H. Once engaged, gear changing was normal and smooth. I took the car back to Mark.

He now changed the gearbox oil, checked the filter, changed the front differential oil and front differential clutch oil. The car was road tested but the problem was still present. Back on the ramp, he showed me that when in neutral, turning by hand one of the front wheels hardly caused any movement on the opposite wheel; the suspicion was there was a problem with the front drive system. Mark suggested he disconnect the prop shaft, with the power just going to the rear wheels, and let me test the car to see if the problem was still there. After a drive of over 30 minutes, I could not get the problem to replicate. We concluded there was an issue with the front differential.

What were the options? Mark contacted his transmission specialist who said they could do nothing; since Porsche did not supply parts for the front differential, you had to buy a new unit at a cost of over £9,500.

I discussed the situation with Mark, who said he could try and strip the front differential clutch assembly to identify the root cause of the problem. The cause of the clunking was excessive bearing play and water ingress into the unit. With nothing to lose, he could try and repair the unit, but if that was not possible then a replacement would have to be ordered.

Mark contacted many suppliers to see if he could get parts. Most did not reply; a few asked for further details and one wanted pictures. However, one supplier said they could get the required bearings and seals and the relevant parts were supplied within a week.

The assembly was then cleaned, reassembled and refitted and the car road tested. Problem solved! Just to check, I took it for a long drive and totally agreed: it felt like new.

A new unit would have cost over £9,500, but the price of the new seals, bearings and oil was - wait for it - £700. The overall cost of parts and work was £1,700.

This experience has further taught me that a good independent specialist, like Addspeed, is worth their weight in gold!
 
A great story and especially good to know that you were eventually able to get the parts you needed. Thank you and your specialist for persevering.
 
A great story and especially good to know that you were eventually able to get the parts you needed. Thank you and your specialist for persevering.
You have to persevere. When the differential was stripped the bearings and seals had part numbers on them. However, in the UK to find a supplier who could get hold of the original manufacture's parts was difficult. It appears in the USA it is much less of a problem. Luckily I have an engineer who doesn't easily give up. Just an extra piece of information. I had an offer from another independent who said they could get the parts and rebuild and fit the differential. The cost would be £4500.
 
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Hi Roger,

Kudos to your specialist for rebuilding the diff and saving you a lot of money. It’s something the Porsche dealers won’t entertain given their exorbitant labour charges [£250+/hr] and the fact that replacement parts are guaranteed for 2-years, so if they’d rebuilt your diff then only the bearings and seals would be covered, meaning that they will only replace the whole unit.🙄

As an aside, I think you’re fortunate in having the Tiptronic transmission which is a conventional torque converter type rather than the PDK transmission fitted to the Gen2 cars. I believe that it’s a Mercedes-Benz transmission with bespoke Porsche control electronics and so hopefully parts are available should repairs be necessary, which I would imagine could be carried out by any number of auto-transmission specialists. Unfortunately the same can’t be said for the PDK transmission where parts aren’t available from Porsche and the only option is to replace the whole transmission … about £14k I believe.😳

Jeff
 
Hi Roger,

Kudos to your specialist for rebuilding the diff and saving you a lot of money. It’s something the Porsche dealers won’t entertain given their exorbitant labour charges [£250+/hr] and the fact that replacement parts are guaranteed for 2-years, so if they’d rebuilt your diff then only the bearings and seals would be covered, meaning that they will only replace the whole unit.🙄

As an aside, I think you’re fortunate in having the Tiptronic transmission which is a conventional torque converter type rather than the PDK transmission fitted to the Gen2 cars. I believe that it’s a Mercedes-Benz transmission with bespoke Porsche control electronics and so hopefully parts are available should repairs be necessary, which I would imagine could be carried out by any number of auto-transmission specialists. Unfortunately the same can’t be said for the PDK transmission where parts aren’t available from Porsche and the only option is to replace the whole transmission … about £14k I believe.😳

Jeff
Hi Jeff,
I actually like the Tiptronic transmission. Yes, it is a Mercedes unit and parts are available. Most of the Porsche parts are obtained from other manufactures, like many other makers. About 5 years ago I had a problem with one of the turbos. Cost to replace from Porsche over £4000. Rang Borg the maker and they would not sell me one. If they could it would have been under £2000. Mark said the problem was just with the casing corroding and he sourced and fitted a new casing for just under £1000. I hope I don't need new brake discs. I have a quote from Porsche earlier this year for £28,873.82. That includes VAT but doesn't include fitting. The extra cost for Porsche's carbon ceramic brakes, Brakes (PCCB), is a significant upfront expense on a new car, replacement cost is substantially higher, in my case well over twice the price.
 
Hi Roger,

Yes, I understand that Porsche’s replacement carbon ceramic brake discs a very expensive. A few years ago I recall that a chap with a 981 Cayman GT4 who did a lot track days swapped his Porsche discs for Surface Transforms, which I think may have been cheaper but certainly were much more durable [apparently they use continuous carbon fibre to form a 3-D matrix rather than using chopped carbon fibres as used in the Porsche discs].

For future reference it may be useful to contact them for 997.1T prices:


I suppose that a much cheaper alternative would be to convert to iron discs, although I don’t know if you’d also need to change the calipers.🤔

Jeff
 

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