944s2
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Car mag video of straight from boat GT-R 1 sec a lap faster round Rockingham the 911 turbo press car
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/
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http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/
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Nissan faster than turbo!
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PGAdamopoulos
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...[
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I think the GT-R is the best value for money and a force to be reckoned with....[]
Porsche is not the iconic 911 anymore, there so many Porsche variants that have commercialized its image...[]
]I think the GT-R is the best value for money and a force to be reckoned with....[
]Porsche is not the iconic 911 anymore, there so many Porsche variants that have commercialized its image...[
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peanut
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a bricks a brick mate [ORIGINAL: PGAdamopoulos
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...[
I think the GT-R is the best value for money and a force to be reckoned with....[
Porsche is not the iconic 911 anymore, there so many Porsche variants that have commercialized its image...[
] just needs a go faster fin and some bling wheels with a few tasteless stripes and a huge sub woofer and it would be a perfect chavmobile[]I think this is a very unproffesional video, for a few reasons.I dont have sour grapes against the GTR.How can you have smoke piling out from the tyres on a wet track?.The track looks bone dry most of the time.Ben, sets off in the dry in the M3, without his jacket on, then returns with it on in the wet.To use words like, freaking me out, in a video that we are to take as proffesional, is, in my book, non proffesional.Did the Porsche have the same tyres as the GTR?, as that is Porsche GBs well used demo car.There seems to be a lot of editing in that video, for whatever reason.Autocar has the GTR as the better car as well today, but i will reserve my own judgement until i can get in a UK spec GTR,and drive it, which is still over 12 months away.Regards, SIMON.
garyw
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You think...? Corvette has offered the same potential for quite a while, with the ZR1 even more so... just the left hand drive issue holds it backORIGINAL: PGAdamopoulos
I think the GT-R is the best value for money and a force to be reckoned with....[
Just checked and as yet I don't see any small boys with pictures of GT-R's pinned on the wall [Porsche is not the iconic 911 anymore, there so many Porsche variants that have commercialized its image...[
], maybe some teenage boys with a picture of a semi clad girl and GT-R though [] - max power styleeeeI think the 911 may have lost some of its polish, but not so much as to put it in the rice league as yet..
garyw
I've read more than one article reporting that the GTR is faster than the Turbo around the benchmark Nurburgring but unclear how official the figures have been so far ~2 secs better I think.
One thing the GTR has which Porsche are still working on is a double-clutch gearbox - if rumours are true this is still some way off on the Turbo...
One thing the GTR has which Porsche are still working on is a double-clutch gearbox - if rumours are true this is still some way off on the Turbo...
sawood12
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I don't doubt that the Nissan might give the 997 turbo a good run for its money or even be quicker than it but the problem I have with this video is that not only did he say it was a second quicker than the turbo but that he wasn't even trying as if he was out on a Sunday jaunt. If the Nissan is a quicker car than the 997 turbo then fair enough, I can believe it, but there is no way on gods earth that over an 83 second lap it is that much better - that would translate to a time that would be several minutes faster at the ring which would put the Nissan into rediculously fast territory. I just don't believe it is THAT much quicker than the 997 turbo. I'm with-holding my judement until I read or see something a bit more credable than this video.
peanut
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ORIGINAL: garyw
On the upside, hopefully it will get the R&D department to actually do something.... facelifts are one thing but Porsche really don't seem to be leaders at the moment... run by accountants and playing safe seems very much the order of the day.. [
garyw
Thats how Porsche have survived and prospered when dozens of other car manufacturers have sunk .[
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PGAdamopoulos
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At that price and specs, I will soon be placing my order...[]
£40k here buys you a nice Boxster...[8|]
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£40k here buys you a nice Boxster...[8|]
PGAdamopoulos
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As I was implying before, Porsche in the old days was specializing in engineering innovative super-cars, now it specializes in marketing high-performance cars.....[8|]
In comparison Ferrari never lost their direction and that way they will never loose their super-car status...[]
I personally think, that the Porsche position was at its highest with the 993 and plateau out with the 996...[]
Who would not love a 599 GTB?[][][]
In comparison Ferrari never lost their direction and that way they will never loose their super-car status...[
]I personally think, that the Porsche position was at its highest with the 993 and plateau out with the 996...[
]Who would not love a 599 GTB?[
][][]The power has already been reported to be more than the Japs will have you believe.I think the power is actually more like 520 bhp for the GTR, verified on a dyno somewhere.So, the car has been developed over 5 years with the 911 Turbo the aim, it has all the very latest roadholding firepower, including mega gearbox, semi cut slicks i think, and its 1 dubious second faster round this track.I know the price difference is substantial, but i would not agree with all the headlines of the 911 Turbo of being "BLITZED".I would love to have a go in one, but will have to wait a whole year yet to get behind the wheel of o bonafied UK car.Enjoy the Porsche 997 Turbo, because it is still the main kiddie, regards, SIMON.
sawood12
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There have been Porsche killers in the past but they have all cost alot more money - the difference with this GT-R is that it is cheaper. That is the only distinguishing factor. And as has been said before, when you get alot of clever engineers into a room with one goal - to beat the 997 turbo, then it is only a matter of time till they do.
However the 997 turbo does have a few tricks up its sleeve. I'll bet that GT-R is packed full of technology - the trick gearbox, trick suspension, trick 4wd system, trick diffs etc. In reality it is like comparing the Model T ford to the space shuttle. By comparison the 997 turbo is not that advanced - manual clutch and gearbox, relatively crude 4wd system, relatively crude active damper system and pretty basic traction control and stability control systems. In actual fact taking that into consideration this is really a win for the Porsche. It should be no surprise the GT-R is quicker than the Porsche given the fact the Nissan engineers set out from day 1 with the goal to beat the Porsche and given the amount of technology packed into it - what is telling is that it should really be even quicker. It should be Merchiellago quick. It should be absolutely destroying the Porsche and it isn't. If you were to replace the trick gearbox with a manual clutch and gearbox and tone down the technology i'd bet the GT-R would be nowhere. It's Fifa 2008 on the PS3 vs. a kick around down the park with your mates. You may be playing better football on the PS3, but I know what i'd rather be doing.
Basically the GT-R is as good as it can ever be - it is bang upto date with more chips in it than Macdonalds. The 997 has a good few more of generations of technology to be introduced. Imagine how good it will be then. Everyone thought the 996 turbo was as good as a 911 could get, then the 997 turbo came along and showed it has more to give yet.
However the 997 turbo does have a few tricks up its sleeve. I'll bet that GT-R is packed full of technology - the trick gearbox, trick suspension, trick 4wd system, trick diffs etc. In reality it is like comparing the Model T ford to the space shuttle. By comparison the 997 turbo is not that advanced - manual clutch and gearbox, relatively crude 4wd system, relatively crude active damper system and pretty basic traction control and stability control systems. In actual fact taking that into consideration this is really a win for the Porsche. It should be no surprise the GT-R is quicker than the Porsche given the fact the Nissan engineers set out from day 1 with the goal to beat the Porsche and given the amount of technology packed into it - what is telling is that it should really be even quicker. It should be Merchiellago quick. It should be absolutely destroying the Porsche and it isn't. If you were to replace the trick gearbox with a manual clutch and gearbox and tone down the technology i'd bet the GT-R would be nowhere. It's Fifa 2008 on the PS3 vs. a kick around down the park with your mates. You may be playing better football on the PS3, but I know what i'd rather be doing.
Basically the GT-R is as good as it can ever be - it is bang upto date with more chips in it than Macdonalds. The 997 has a good few more of generations of technology to be introduced. Imagine how good it will be then. Everyone thought the 996 turbo was as good as a 911 could get, then the 997 turbo came along and showed it has more to give yet.
PGAdamopoulos
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I wonder, are they benchmarking against the Porsche because it has become an easy target !?!
Up to now they were going for the lesser models, never for the Turbo.
Why nobody benchmarks against the Italians..!?!
Is it, maybe, because they are now the real super-cars?!?
Porsche is gravitating to its roots, VW, and only after it has done a full circle it can re-emerge.
Nowadays, the new Audi S3 has more technological innovations than the 997 Turbo....
Porsche is run by accountants whose only worry is how to increase their margins...
Up to now they were going for the lesser models, never for the Turbo.
Why nobody benchmarks against the Italians..!?!
Is it, maybe, because they are now the real super-cars?!?
Porsche is gravitating to its roots, VW, and only after it has done a full circle it can re-emerge.
Nowadays, the new Audi S3 has more technological innovations than the 997 Turbo....
Porsche is run by accountants whose only worry is how to increase their margins...
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