Steve Brookes
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A great way to start the year Brian and looks like it's going to be an exciting journey. [
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]My 2019 718 Cayman GTS PDK
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Brian_Innes
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Thanks all for your supportive comments. Very much appreciated.
I'm truly delighted with my new car. Every time I enter my garage I keep pinching myself in case I'm dreaming!
The 718 CGTS is currently resting in my garage, now back to pristine condition after the 500 mile trip north. I'm awaiting my neighbour who has a car valeting business, to apply the ceramic paint treatment. I had this done to my previous 718 CS and it was a resounding success. The treatment lasted the entire two years I owned the car. I'm also making enquires about having the Xpel protective film applied to the sills and rear wheel arches as I had done on my previous car. I may also get the front protected this time.
The Zunsport Outer Grills set arrived today. For the 718 Cayman GTS they are in 4 parts. 2 upper, and 2 lower. No screws involved, only clips. I'm in two minds about when I should fit these grills, bearing in mind the official Porsche AG view that they would invalidate the warranty. Even if they have been removed, any evidence of the grills having been previously aftermarket fitted will also invalidate the warranty apparently.
I'm thinking I'll leave it a month or two yet before deciding. Should any engine problems arise in the early life of my car, I don't want any warranty quibbles due to allegations that the Zunsport grills are affecting the engine cooling. I know this is rubbish, but we all know how things can go badly wrong very quickly.
I'm aware of several instances where 718 2.0 turbo engines have had problems with the turbo, also engine coolant and oil leaks etc. Porsche Chester indicated this was quite a common problem on the 2.0 718 models. Not good to hear. I had absolutely no issues whatsoever with my 718 2.5 CS over the entire 18,777 miles of my ownership.
I'm hoping my 718 CGTS proves equally reliable and trouble-free.
A photo attached below of the Zunsport 718 Cayman GTS Grill pack.
Brian
I'm truly delighted with my new car. Every time I enter my garage I keep pinching myself in case I'm dreaming!
The 718 CGTS is currently resting in my garage, now back to pristine condition after the 500 mile trip north. I'm awaiting my neighbour who has a car valeting business, to apply the ceramic paint treatment. I had this done to my previous 718 CS and it was a resounding success. The treatment lasted the entire two years I owned the car. I'm also making enquires about having the Xpel protective film applied to the sills and rear wheel arches as I had done on my previous car. I may also get the front protected this time.
The Zunsport Outer Grills set arrived today. For the 718 Cayman GTS they are in 4 parts. 2 upper, and 2 lower. No screws involved, only clips. I'm in two minds about when I should fit these grills, bearing in mind the official Porsche AG view that they would invalidate the warranty. Even if they have been removed, any evidence of the grills having been previously aftermarket fitted will also invalidate the warranty apparently.
I'm thinking I'll leave it a month or two yet before deciding. Should any engine problems arise in the early life of my car, I don't want any warranty quibbles due to allegations that the Zunsport grills are affecting the engine cooling. I know this is rubbish, but we all know how things can go badly wrong very quickly.
I'm aware of several instances where 718 2.0 turbo engines have had problems with the turbo, also engine coolant and oil leaks etc. Porsche Chester indicated this was quite a common problem on the 2.0 718 models. Not good to hear. I had absolutely no issues whatsoever with my 718 2.5 CS over the entire 18,777 miles of my ownership.
I'm hoping my 718 CGTS proves equally reliable and trouble-free.
A photo attached below of the Zunsport 718 Cayman GTS Grill pack.
Brian
Hi Brian
The GTS is a lovely car I owned a 981 BGTS which I was very happy with, I have 1 question, why did you not take the GTS interior package I thought it really lifted my GTS ?
Geoff
The GTS is a lovely car I owned a 981 BGTS which I was very happy with, I have 1 question, why did you not take the GTS interior package I thought it really lifted my GTS ?
Geoff
fasterthanlight
New member
It wasn't until I had my complimentary Porsche Experience at Silverstone that I realised that the Carrera Sport alloys could come with Michelin tyres. As you seem to have found out, it really is pot luck which ones the factory will put on any individual car. My 718 Cayman GTS had Pirellis that definitely looked overstretched on the rears!
I look forward to reading your future exploits in your well-specified car, but please, try not to make me regret selling mine!
I look forward to reading your future exploits in your well-specified car, but please, try not to make me regret selling mine!
@fasterthanlight
I see even more clearly what everyone means about the Pirellis being stretched.
They just look like the wrong tyre (even though technically they aren't)
We have the same visual issue at Honda on the FK2 and FK8 Civic Type R's with the 'stretched' Continental tyres
I see even more clearly what everyone means about the Pirellis being stretched.
They just look like the wrong tyre (even though technically they aren't)
We have the same visual issue at Honda on the FK2 and FK8 Civic Type R's with the 'stretched' Continental tyres
@BJ Innes
Brian
The Zunsport grilles look nice.
I fitted them after a week on my Boxster (and 1 day after having the A/C condensers replaced due to stone damage.
They fit well and look great.
I don't think you will mark the surround.
Careful with those clips if you do fit them though (I snapped one removing it to swap the sidelight bulbs - but then again I did get one particular clip wedged in-between the black trim and the bumper trim - so my fault)
Enjoying reading your thread []
Brian
The Zunsport grilles look nice.
I fitted them after a week on my Boxster (and 1 day after having the A/C condensers replaced due to stone damage.
They fit well and look great.
I don't think you will mark the surround.
Careful with those clips if you do fit them though (I snapped one removing it to swap the sidelight bulbs - but then again I did get one particular clip wedged in-between the black trim and the bumper trim - so my fault)
Enjoying reading your thread [
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Brian_Innes
Member
Geoff,geoff lane said:
At £74k I considered my 718CGTS mighty expensive enough with the essential options I chose. For my touring use on mountain roads and occasional track days, I'd rather spend my money on PCCB. I agree the GTS interior package does look good though. It was just an option too far for me on this occasion.
Regarding the stretched Pirelli tyres on Carrera Sport wheels, I cannot imagine why Porsche consider this acceptable on a high-performance car such as the 718 CGTS. The difference in profile when fitted with the Michelin PS4S N0 tyres is absolutely massive. Michelins also outperform the Pirellis in wet conditions by a huge margin.
Brian
aholymanjones55
New member
Brian,
I only recently picked up your excellent diary on the 718S.
I placed an order for a 718 Boxster GTS back in April. Then unfortunately fell into the new emission manufacturing regime trap and as I wanted a manual, have found these cars at the back of the queue for a build slot. I now have build slot in February.
I sold the Red 991 Targa 4S at the time I placed the order. My logic was not doing any serious events in the summer of 2018, 992 about to come out and was offered an excellent trade-in so reluctantly did the deed. I'm now hearing 991 owners struggling to get decent trade-in values when moving over to 992 and actually Porsche putting a freeze on taking in stock as too many in inventory already.
Your drive back home having collected the Cayman reminded me of my NC500 trip in May 2016 when we based the trip around an old Le Mans mate who lives just outside Dornoch. We drove the old Military Road both up and down and below on the home bound trip in my Targa with mate in his Ferrari 360. What a beautiful road. How lucky to have in your local back yard.
I'm not a track day star so not gone with -20mm suspension but will have power steering plus.
Keep those posts coming.
I only recently picked up your excellent diary on the 718S.
I placed an order for a 718 Boxster GTS back in April. Then unfortunately fell into the new emission manufacturing regime trap and as I wanted a manual, have found these cars at the back of the queue for a build slot. I now have build slot in February.
I sold the Red 991 Targa 4S at the time I placed the order. My logic was not doing any serious events in the summer of 2018, 992 about to come out and was offered an excellent trade-in so reluctantly did the deed. I'm now hearing 991 owners struggling to get decent trade-in values when moving over to 992 and actually Porsche putting a freeze on taking in stock as too many in inventory already.
Your drive back home having collected the Cayman reminded me of my NC500 trip in May 2016 when we based the trip around an old Le Mans mate who lives just outside Dornoch. We drove the old Military Road both up and down and below on the home bound trip in my Targa with mate in his Ferrari 360. What a beautiful road. How lucky to have in your local back yard.
I'm not a track day star so not gone with -20mm suspension but will have power steering plus.
Keep those posts coming.
Brian_Innes
Member
Still on the subject of Pirelli v Michelin tyres when fitted to the wider 20" Carrera Sport alloys.
Here is a photo of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S N0, 265 x 35 x 20 rear tyres as currently fitted to my 718 CGTS. If you compare this photo with the one posted yesterday by "fasterthanlight" of the same wheels with a Pirelli P-Zero 265 x 35 x 20, you will see the massive difference in sidewall profile between the two brands.
Today I completed the online Porsche GB customer satisfaction survey. I made the point strongly that the Pirelli tyres were not an appropriate factory fittment for the 8.5" and 10.5" wider Carrera Sport wheels.
Having visited the Porsche factory in Stuttgart last September, and being told all about the meticulous "just in time" component delivery according to individual customer specifications, I am at loss why Porsche cannot ensure that only Michelin tyres are fitted to Carrera Sport wheels when specified for the Cayman/Boxster models.
I am very grateful to Martin Bamping, New Car Sales Manager, at Porsche Chester for taking on-board my urgent request regarding swapping the factory fitted Pirellis for the "proper" Michelins. The Michelins in the sizes for my 718 CGTS had to be procured from Birmingham at very short notice, in the midst of the festive holidays, and fitted to my car before the handover on January 3rd. By going that "extra mile" the sales team at Porsche Chester earned my deepest respect.
Brian
Here is a photo of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S N0, 265 x 35 x 20 rear tyres as currently fitted to my 718 CGTS. If you compare this photo with the one posted yesterday by "fasterthanlight" of the same wheels with a Pirelli P-Zero 265 x 35 x 20, you will see the massive difference in sidewall profile between the two brands.
Today I completed the online Porsche GB customer satisfaction survey. I made the point strongly that the Pirelli tyres were not an appropriate factory fittment for the 8.5" and 10.5" wider Carrera Sport wheels.
Having visited the Porsche factory in Stuttgart last September, and being told all about the meticulous "just in time" component delivery according to individual customer specifications, I am at loss why Porsche cannot ensure that only Michelin tyres are fitted to Carrera Sport wheels when specified for the Cayman/Boxster models.
I am very grateful to Martin Bamping, New Car Sales Manager, at Porsche Chester for taking on-board my urgent request regarding swapping the factory fitted Pirellis for the "proper" Michelins. The Michelins in the sizes for my 718 CGTS had to be procured from Birmingham at very short notice, in the midst of the festive holidays, and fitted to my car before the handover on January 3rd. By going that "extra mile" the sales team at Porsche Chester earned my deepest respect.
Brian
Steve Brookes
Moderator
Excellent move Brian to get the Pirellis swapped for Michelins. I guess Porsche must have a complex supplier contract with Pirelli that they can't get out of because I'm sure they are aware of the almost universal condemnation of the P zero by Porsche customers. If buying a new Porsche I would do exactly the same as you and insist that I didn't want it to be delivered with P zeros. If more do that then Porsche might do something about it or use their considerable influence to get Pirelli to produce a better tyre.
Brian_Innes
Member
Amen to all of that Steve.
During the final stages of confirming my spec last November, it was interesting to see a page contained in the confirmation document sent from Porsche Chester referring to "Tire Label". This page contained a note from Porsche GB advising Porsche Chester that this option was Default and no longer available.
I cannot see it beyond the capability of Porsche AG to allow those customers who are particular about their tyres, to specify which brand they want fitted during the production process. As customers can already spec which colour they want their spoiler or door handles painted, I cannot understand why tyre brand choice eg, Pirelli or Michelin, should not be included as a customer choice.
Brian
During the final stages of confirming my spec last November, it was interesting to see a page contained in the confirmation document sent from Porsche Chester referring to "Tire Label". This page contained a note from Porsche GB advising Porsche Chester that this option was Default and no longer available.
I cannot see it beyond the capability of Porsche AG to allow those customers who are particular about their tyres, to specify which brand they want fitted during the production process. As customers can already spec which colour they want their spoiler or door handles painted, I cannot understand why tyre brand choice eg, Pirelli or Michelin, should not be included as a customer choice.
Brian
Brian_Innes
Member
Peter,
I had Power Steering Plus (PSP) specced on my previous 718 CS and had no hesitation including it on my new 718 CGTS.
PSP is a superb optimisation of the existing EPS and will enhance the steering feel of your new 992 CS.
Not only does PSP offer assisted steering rotations at manoevuring speeds such as when parking, it also provides enhanced steering feel at high speeds such as when participating on track days. Also, because of where I live, a large proportion of my road driving is done on empty Highland roads with hairpin bends, open swooping combination corners, and flowing crests and dips. Roads that follow the contours of the land basically.
If most of your road driving is done in straight lines, as on motorways and dual carriageways, the benefits of PSP will only be realised when parking or slow speed manoeuvring.
This choice is up to you. Good luck with your new 992 CS. It's fabulous evolution of the 911 and mighty fast also.
For my driving needs, I wouldn't spec a Porsche without PSP.
I hope this helps.
Brian
PS.
I think most people mis-read or mis-interpret the PSP description. To quote the configurator:
"Power Steering Plus provides speed-sensitive assistance,[/u] also low speed manoeuvring assistance when parking".
I had Power Steering Plus (PSP) specced on my previous 718 CS and had no hesitation including it on my new 718 CGTS.
PSP is a superb optimisation of the existing EPS and will enhance the steering feel of your new 992 CS.
Not only does PSP offer assisted steering rotations at manoevuring speeds such as when parking, it also provides enhanced steering feel at high speeds such as when participating on track days. Also, because of where I live, a large proportion of my road driving is done on empty Highland roads with hairpin bends, open swooping combination corners, and flowing crests and dips. Roads that follow the contours of the land basically.
If most of your road driving is done in straight lines, as on motorways and dual carriageways, the benefits of PSP will only be realised when parking or slow speed manoeuvring.
This choice is up to you. Good luck with your new 992 CS. It's fabulous evolution of the 911 and mighty fast also.
For my driving needs, I wouldn't spec a Porsche without PSP.
I hope this helps.
Brian
PS.
I think most people mis-read or mis-interpret the PSP description. To quote the configurator:
"Power Steering Plus provides speed-sensitive assistance,[/u] also low speed manoeuvring assistance when parking".
That looks lush Brian
I also will be very interested to hear your thoughts on the Power Steering Plus once you have leant on it a bit ...
Porsche are coming up with some tremendous new technologies ... such as the new Wet mode which is also coming ... just to keep everybody excited at not having to get the spanners out !
See you at Oulton !!
I also will be very interested to hear your thoughts on the Power Steering Plus once you have leant on it a bit ...
Porsche are coming up with some tremendous new technologies ... such as the new Wet mode which is also coming ... just to keep everybody excited at not having to get the spanners out !
See you at Oulton !!
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