M700 FLY The famous Douglas Valley car

[trantorman]

M700 FLY the famous Douglas valley damaged at least once if not twice RS been advertised for any where between £50k and £85 k over the last few years.

Does any one actually know any of the cars real history?

As a restoration project at the right money it could be viable surely?

Your Views appreciated.

 

[Mike Cooper 33]

I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this but I was told (not saying by who in case it's wrong) that this was the UK press car featured in all the reviews, the CAR trip to Paul Ricard, the video test by Andrew Frankel etc and was badly damaged and not properly repaired. If true you would need to check it out extremely carefully as it would be v expensive to put right.

 

[trantorman]

Yes that runs with what I understand, but has anyone ever actually looked at it or had it looked at?

 

[Mike Cooper 33]

I was told the above by a well known dealer who said they had seen it and been totally put off by the repairs. This was at least 7 years ago though and am not certain it is the same car. Someone must have seen it since though, as you say it's ben around for a while.

There was also a silver UK car involved in a big smash in France when it aquaplaned off the autoroute into the barrier. Not sure if this is the same car. I think that was a write off as it went under a barrier at high speed. Driver lucky to escape.

Paul/Vic, do you know any more?

 

[clubsport]

Are he said/she said, some time ago......but it might not be the same car at all...discussions best kept to private emails?

Otherwise every silver Rhd 993RS will be assumed to have been involved in an incident, just because it was written on the internet?

Sorry, I do not know anything about the Douglas Valley car myself, to keep the thread on track. []

 

[trantorman]

interesting stuff, as time goes on these types of cars become better options for rebuild and if done by an accepted garage it would assist in removing the stigma, they will never carry the same value but would be a good useable car?

 

[vic cohen]

FWIW some years ago i bought a a 993 rs cs that had been badly damaged on a track day at Goodwood
Repaired at an actual Porsche approved body shop , subsequemtly drove perfectly and was a delight .i only sold it cos i needed the money for another car
i paid 20% less than market at that time and sold abt 5 years later pro rata....................it was basically a track day car and i used it as such and enjoyed it
if i were buying a road car , now values dramatically increased over that period, i wud look for an original panel car , maybe resprayed for stone chips whatever.........................as they get harder to find who knows what one might accept .....each case to be judged individually.
There is normally a vast gulf between race cars and road cars in values .....not always one way , if raced by 'names'and won famous races can be big plus , if its all on original wagen passe...................all i am suggesting is u really cant generalise, anything can be rebuilt and with values where they are now on these cars probably always will be ...........................it very much depends how well and by whom IMO
Not many race cars this kind of age have nt had a few panels by now !

 

[trantorman]

All good advice who these days are the right companies to use is such a rebuild, on regular 993;s i would use Ninemaster, they have a good reputation in my own view, but on an RS i suspect the forum will be better placed to express a view.

 

[vic cohen]

Simply use someone with experience of the 'specialist' cars.................main agents and the most expensive dont neccessarily have the experienc to re build even '90 s cars .....................some engine parts are nt even in Porsche Motorsport so an engine or gear box rebuild can be a nightmare .........aluminium bonnets for the 993 rs are very expensive and even factory ones rarely fit without a lot of extra fettling

Any good painter with a good jig and above type of experince is fine , knowledge of interchangeability between 993 gt2 and rs suspnsion etc is handy ......mechanically i reckon the firm u mention cud make anything u cant buy............go for specialists here or in Germany who ve done it before and know where and what to do from expeience

Sorry to bang on but ive picked the wrong ones more than once ........to my cost !

 

[RIVIERAM002]

Ninemeister and attention to detail second to none, right down to the original position of a factory spotweld.

 

[paul howells]

Mark at 9 meister or Tony littlejohn
That car will probably never loose its stigma!I have seen it in the past
Get a expert to view the car,but i would have thought a waste of time,buy a straight one to start with

 

[trantorman]

Really it depends on the diffrence between a straight one and that car if you bought it at £50-60K it might stack up long term, might be worth the cost of a Paetr Morgan PPI


What these days does a straight one start at price wise?

 

[clubsport]

These cars trade fairly infrequently, such that they are now almost like property in Kensington, on the basis that one can be optimistically priced for sale,,hang around forever, until it finally sells...the next one up for sale will be offered for even more, on the basis that the seller can always come down in price.

The other thing to consider is the appetite from HK and other far east markets for Rhd cars......Once a car is up to a certain standard, I very much doubt if they would care if it was perhaps once a cat C or D in the UK. where obviously a potential Uk buyer would literally "have kittens" at the prospect!

With these values we make the assumption rates will continue to stay low......???....as soon as they rise, I personally feel car values will take a hit.....but a 993RS doesn't look like a bad idea compared to 2.7Rs prices does it???? []

 

[Olly1]

ORIGINAL: clubsport


These cars trade fairly infrequently, such that they are now almost like property in Kensington, on the basis that one can be optimistically priced for sale,,hang around forever, until it finally sells...the next one up for sale will be offered for even more, on the basis that the seller can always come down in price.

The other thing to consider is the appetite from HK and other far east markets for Rhd cars......Once a car is up to a certain standard, I very much doubt if they would care if it was perhaps once a cat C or D in the UK. where obviously a potential Uk buyer would literally "have kittens" at the prospect!

With these values we make the assumption rates will continue to stay low......???....as soon as they rise, I personally feel car values will take a hit.....but a 993RS doesn't look like a bad idea compared to 2.7Rs prices does it???? []

I tend to agree on the pricing. I was flicking through some old car mags today. One was from 2003 and Paragon had a nice red 993 RS with 26k miles for sale for £55k. Not a bad investment.

I can`t really see them ever dropping in price.

 

[PhilRS]

On this theme, I just brought back the March Flat 6 from Switzerland (BTW very nice article by Andrew Frankel on the 961): top value for a mint 993 RS is now quoted to be at 170K euros.

 

[clubsport]

The asking prices on Mobile.de seem to have jumped from €120 to €170k, without even stopping at €150k for breath!

This assimulated pricing is all very well, with so few transactions going through, but it's almost worse than some of the asset valuations on financial balance sheets. The difference being not all 993Rs are of equal condition and provenance.

I still own my 993RS, so it's not as of I am talking values down, it's just the confusion with smoke, mirrors and lack of apparent actual transactions. []

 

[roygarth]

I keep a regular eye on Mobile.de. I dont know whether or not cars are selling or at what prices if they are. But the listings are ending. So perhaps the cars are selling close to the rapidly rising asking prices.

 

[Essential]

I know I am not supposed to say this, one of the reasons I keep my current car is because of the steady increase in price. This is my 5th 993 RS / GT. I bought my current car because I really really wanted it. It does not get used much, one or two local track days each year plus the trip for service & mot. less than 1k miles a year.


I know every car is different, which is part of the thing that makes them so special in book.

Man maths being if they increase by 3% pa plus cost of running then its free to own so why sell.

And everytime the car does come out I just love the way they look and sound. A friend borrowed it this week and when he drove off you can see how small these cars are compared to modern cars.

That last comment made me think, having owned one from nearly new it means I liked them when new and also now as a semi classic.

On holiday so ramble over

 

[roygarth]

ORIGINAL: Essential

I know I am not supposed to say this, one of the reasons I keep my current car is because of the steady increase in price. This is my 5th 993 RS / GT. I bought my current car because I really really wanted it. It does not get used much, one or two local track days each year plus the trip for service & mot. less than 1k miles a year.


I know every car is different, which is part of the thing that makes them so special in book.

Man maths being if they increase by 3% pa plus cost of running then its free to own so why sell.

And everytime the car does come out I just love the way they look and sound. A friend borrowed it this week and when he drove off you can see how small these cars are compared to modern cars.

Agree with all this....especially the size comment - up here in North Norfolk it is so much more fun to buzz around in a small car - my daughters Mini One is more fun (almost!) than my 550 Maranello and the RS is brilliant, but thinking of adding a 964 C2 as even smaller...plus been on lookout for a classic Mini for about £6k just to thrash around the B/C roads.

 

[phoenix993]

I had a conversation with the gent at DVB. In his own words and I quote, "it's fairly priced and its not as if I need the money".

To me that sounded like the price will not be coming down and its on the market just for the hell of it. A dry rehearsal if you will.

If they spruced it up via a pro detailer and took some pictures fitting to the caliber of the car then I'm sure it would sell sooner, rather than never.....

-Phoenix