Seen one at the show in States..[
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]M637 Option Car Anyone
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Jonny944CS
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Guys,
More info please []
- Are we tallking about the S2 run-out model?
- Are US and UK cars the same spec?
There was a UK-spec '92 black S2 'clubsport' for sale several years back - IIRC the spec amounted to little-more than an ECU re-map, M030 gear, plus a sticker... Anybody know more details?
Some detail on the US spec from rennlist suggests they had one available in '87 (the codes seem back-to-front):
"Here is some more info from the 1987 Dealers manual:
Option code 030 was called the "Club Sport Package"
Option code 637 was called the "Performance Handling Package"
There is a footnote that option 637 must be ordered with option 030.
In the description of new options available for 1987 it states: "Sports package for 944S and 944 Turbo. This package includes stiffer spring settings, turbo brake system, adjustable rear axle stabilizer, firmer suspension arm bearings, 8" front and 9" rear wheels w/ 225/50 and 245/45 VR 16 tires respectively, as well as measures to reduce the weight of the entire car. NOTE: A somewhat milder version of this performance handling package called the Club Sport Package is also available."
Cost for the options were:
030 Club Sport Package $674.00
637 Performance Handling Package (944/944S) $4752.00
(944 Turbo) $628.00"
More info please [
]- Are we tallking about the S2 run-out model?
- Are US and UK cars the same spec?
There was a UK-spec '92 black S2 'clubsport' for sale several years back - IIRC the spec amounted to little-more than an ECU re-map, M030 gear, plus a sticker... Anybody know more details?
Some detail on the US spec from rennlist suggests they had one available in '87 (the codes seem back-to-front):
"Here is some more info from the 1987 Dealers manual:
Option code 030 was called the "Club Sport Package"
Option code 637 was called the "Performance Handling Package"
There is a footnote that option 637 must be ordered with option 030.
In the description of new options available for 1987 it states: "Sports package for 944S and 944 Turbo. This package includes stiffer spring settings, turbo brake system, adjustable rear axle stabilizer, firmer suspension arm bearings, 8" front and 9" rear wheels w/ 225/50 and 245/45 VR 16 tires respectively, as well as measures to reduce the weight of the entire car. NOTE: A somewhat milder version of this performance handling package called the Club Sport Package is also available."
Cost for the options were:
030 Club Sport Package $674.00
637 Performance Handling Package (944/944S) $4752.00
(944 Turbo) $628.00"
Jonny944CS
New member
More thoughts from our friends across the pond:
For North America, the "club sport" option for the 944 series cars was a factory motorsport option code, M637. It is not just the M030 sport suspension option. The Club Sport specification is basically the Turbo Cup package, and the cars were imported for showroom stock racing (like the SCCA Escort Endurance series and the IMSA Firestone Firehawk series). It is not the same as the 968 Club Sport option, which was a production street car.
The handful of M637 optioned cars that were imported to the US in 1986-87 were imported by Al Holbert, head of Porsche Motorsport North America at the time. To give you an idea, there were around 7 944 Turbos imported in 86, 9 Turbos and 2 16V S cars imported in 87, and maybe 2 more 16V S cars in 88. Later, 7 944S2 ClubSports were imported in '91 for the Firehawk series.
Most of these real Club Sports are known and documented cars, so very unlikely that anyone would unknowingly own one. They will have a lot of evidence of their motorsport parts and history, and will have somewhat higher value than track cars that were modified from street cars.
The 87+ Club Sports used a 30mm front sway and 21mm 3-way adjustable rear swaybar. At the time, the Turbo S/M030 sway bars were 26.8mm front and 16/18mm rear. The later 968 M030 used the same Turbo Cup/Club Sport 30mm front bar, but a 19mm adj. rear bar.
As for wheels, the 7 & 9 x 16" forged "Club Sport" wheels that came on the 88-89 Turbo S cars and 928s were never factory installed on any of the M637 Optioned factory Club Sport cars. The 86 Turbo Club Sports came with 8 & 9" Fuchs, the 87+ Club Sports came with 8 & 9" magnesium phone dials, painted pearl white.
For North America, the "club sport" option for the 944 series cars was a factory motorsport option code, M637. It is not just the M030 sport suspension option. The Club Sport specification is basically the Turbo Cup package, and the cars were imported for showroom stock racing (like the SCCA Escort Endurance series and the IMSA Firestone Firehawk series). It is not the same as the 968 Club Sport option, which was a production street car.
The handful of M637 optioned cars that were imported to the US in 1986-87 were imported by Al Holbert, head of Porsche Motorsport North America at the time. To give you an idea, there were around 7 944 Turbos imported in 86, 9 Turbos and 2 16V S cars imported in 87, and maybe 2 more 16V S cars in 88. Later, 7 944S2 ClubSports were imported in '91 for the Firehawk series.
Most of these real Club Sports are known and documented cars, so very unlikely that anyone would unknowingly own one. They will have a lot of evidence of their motorsport parts and history, and will have somewhat higher value than track cars that were modified from street cars.
The 87+ Club Sports used a 30mm front sway and 21mm 3-way adjustable rear swaybar. At the time, the Turbo S/M030 sway bars were 26.8mm front and 16/18mm rear. The later 968 M030 used the same Turbo Cup/Club Sport 30mm front bar, but a 19mm adj. rear bar.
As for wheels, the 7 & 9 x 16" forged "Club Sport" wheels that came on the 88-89 Turbo S cars and 928s were never factory installed on any of the M637 Optioned factory Club Sport cars. The 86 Turbo Club Sports came with 8 & 9" Fuchs, the 87+ Club Sports came with 8 & 9" magnesium phone dials, painted pearl white.
Copperman05
New member
So the Club Sport option was primarily for use in cars destined for motorsport use and not an option available to private buyers?
Edd
Edd
Jonny944CS
New member
There is a great thread running on Rennlist, by a chap named Paul, who has own his Turbo Cup car from new - and never raced it. He has been trying to locate all the US Cup Cars.
Packed full of juicy info, the factory sheet supplied with the car gives some insight into the detailed work of the M/Sport department. This would be more in-line with what a 'clubsport' spec should be IMHO:
"Well, some of the mods are minor, but some aren't, and there are a bunch of changes compared to a normal 951. Here's a list from a factory sheet I had in my files on the car. It also says the car weighs over 400 pounds less than a standard car.
Magnesium racing wheels (8x16F, 9x16R)
Magnesium intake manifold
Magnesium oil pan
928 S4 brakes
Racing brake pads (front pads are 959 part numbers)
Brake cooling kit
Strut tower brace bar over engine
Fiberglass hood with race locks
Exterior power kill switch
Interior power kill switch
Larger higher output turbo unit
Larger sway bars, rear adjustable
High performance engine electronics
Surakrit safety windshield
Safety roll cage
Recaro racing seat
Driver racing harness
Lightweight side mirrors
Special front struts
Special rear shocks with springs
Strengthened rear torsion arms
Heavy duty racing clutch
Quick ratio steering
Higher degree limited slip axle
Strengthened differential and axle gears
Strengthened transmission gears
Close ratio 5th gear (this has been proven incorrect)
Transmission oil cooler
ABS brakes (with switch)
Stiffened main chassis
Strengthened strut towers
Hard rubber suspension mounts
Lightweight battery
Single engine cooling rad
Underbody drag reduction panels
Lightweight noise insulation
Delete - Power steering
Delete - Fender liners
Delete - Radio, speakers
Delete - Headlight washers
Delete - Air conditioning
Delete - Power windows
Delete - Rear wiper
Delete - Engine shield
Delete - Undercoating
Delete - Sunroof
Delete - Power seat
Delete - Leather interior
Delete - Rear trunk release
Delete - Power mirrors
Delete - Door storage pockets
Delete - Cassette storage"
Packed full of juicy info, the factory sheet supplied with the car gives some insight into the detailed work of the M/Sport department. This would be more in-line with what a 'clubsport' spec should be IMHO:
"Well, some of the mods are minor, but some aren't, and there are a bunch of changes compared to a normal 951. Here's a list from a factory sheet I had in my files on the car. It also says the car weighs over 400 pounds less than a standard car.
Magnesium racing wheels (8x16F, 9x16R)
Magnesium intake manifold
Magnesium oil pan
928 S4 brakes
Racing brake pads (front pads are 959 part numbers)
Brake cooling kit
Strut tower brace bar over engine
Fiberglass hood with race locks
Exterior power kill switch
Interior power kill switch
Larger higher output turbo unit
Larger sway bars, rear adjustable
High performance engine electronics
Surakrit safety windshield
Safety roll cage
Recaro racing seat
Driver racing harness
Lightweight side mirrors
Special front struts
Special rear shocks with springs
Strengthened rear torsion arms
Heavy duty racing clutch
Quick ratio steering
Higher degree limited slip axle
Strengthened differential and axle gears
Strengthened transmission gears
Close ratio 5th gear (this has been proven incorrect)
Transmission oil cooler
ABS brakes (with switch)
Stiffened main chassis
Strengthened strut towers
Hard rubber suspension mounts
Lightweight battery
Single engine cooling rad
Underbody drag reduction panels
Lightweight noise insulation
Delete - Power steering
Delete - Fender liners
Delete - Radio, speakers
Delete - Headlight washers
Delete - Air conditioning
Delete - Power windows
Delete - Rear wiper
Delete - Engine shield
Delete - Undercoating
Delete - Sunroof
Delete - Power seat
Delete - Leather interior
Delete - Rear trunk release
Delete - Power mirrors
Delete - Door storage pockets
Delete - Cassette storage"
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Pictures, thanks Des! []
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pauljmcnulty
Active member
I'd not spotted this thread until Des posted me the pics, but why's it unfortunate? Reading the replies above it's a US version of the Turbo Cup, not a road car, just they called it CS rather than Cup? [8|]
Copperman05
New member
Note the small 924 mirrors on that car...
Edd
Edd
944 man
Active member
Yes, theyre a manual (cable) adjusted Golf mirror with a unique plastic base which is shaped similarly to a 911 'flag' mirror. They used to be cheap, but they moved from the standard parts catalogue into the motorsport catalogue a few years ago and now they cost a fortune.
I had a pair on a 1980 poverty spec 924 and wish that I still had them...
Simon
I had a pair on a 1980 poverty spec 924 and wish that I still had them...
Simon
Jonny944CS
New member
That was my understanding too Paul, just from reading around the subject.
Do you have some info on cars that were specially commisioned for road use Simon?
Jonny944CS
New member
I have a pair on my car.
- very light (5kg saving over a pair of flags + better aero)
- pants for vision (compared with flags)
The bases are aluminium. With the standard gasket I found it surprisingly difficult to achieve a good seal between the door-seal-mirror.
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Fair enough, I came to this thread late because Des asked me to post the pics, and on my reading there wasn't any suggestion it's a road car.
The smiley face means "I'm interested to know the answer", it's not silly but perhaps that's an age thing? [
]The smiley face indicates I'm making a joke there.....
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