Is this as likely to be good as it looks?
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andy watson
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I believe, MY 87 cars these were an option ( M566) on MY 88 cars they were standard.
The topic of dealers prices has cropped up on several forums that I participate in and the same answer always applies. By their nature a dealers job is to make a living. Out of his final sale price he will have to cover his overheads, rates, tax, warranty, business insurance etc. therefore it is in his interest to buy low and sell high. At the end of the day the buyer pays what they are willing to pay or walks away.
In general it also appears to me that the trend seems to be that people are happy for 944 prices to stay in banger territory, I would be more than happy to see many dealers selling the cars at five digit prices.
I did a little experiment, I looked at the prices of Turbos and S2's advertised on classified ad's on EBay, then came up with an average price
S2 average was £6749
Turbo average was £7401
It would appear then that the prices are on the up possibly aided by this dealer pitching them higher than the norm and the general masses following suit as their cars are comparable in condition and spec.
Cheers, Paul
In general it also appears to me that the trend seems to be that people are happy for 944 prices to stay in banger territory, I would be more than happy to see many dealers selling the cars at five digit prices.
I did a little experiment, I looked at the prices of Turbos and S2's advertised on classified ad's on EBay, then came up with an average price
S2 average was £6749
Turbo average was £7401
It would appear then that the prices are on the up possibly aided by this dealer pitching them higher than the norm and the general masses following suit as their cars are comparable in condition and spec.
Cheers, Paul
MartinRS2K
Active member
So what price would you expect to pay for a good lowish mileage 944 S2 or Turbo?? Presuming that the car is 23 years old (1990 MY) and has averaged say 4K per year that would give 92,000 miles and lets say it has a good service history and has been maintained regularly and is solid and the paintwork/interior is in keeping with the mileage.
The cost of these cars before options in 1990 was
944S2 £34,641
944 Turbo £42,719
As an example a 964 Carrera 2 Coupe was £45,820 at the same time (so not much more than the 944 Turbo) [8|]
To compare it to a Ford Sierra RS Cosworth Sapphire of the same year it cost £27,060 new and the build quality, design and handling are a fraction of the quality of the Porsche 944's
These cars are currently one of the weakest Ford RS models to buy and currently one of the cheapest to pick up but even they are commanding more than the 944 and they are basically a 4 door saloon with a 200bhp 16v Turbo engine upfront!!!
Excellent : £8-11,000
Very Good : £6-8,000
Average : £4-6,000
Project : £2-4,000
If we keep talking these cars down then they will end up being scrapped as a lot of people will not want to spend £1500+ fixing a car that is not worth much more and the people who will end up buying them will run them until they get a large bill then break them for spares as it makes more money than selling them to new owners!!
I am new again to 944 ownership after a 20 year gap but I bought the best car I could afford with a full history and low mileage and have just sent it to Hartech to get a Full Gold service and any other bits that may require doing whilst they are checking it over. I am not rich but love my cars and would rather stay in for a few weekends to keep my car on the road.
I intend to keep this car for a long time and accept that a Porsche costs money to run and maintain otherwise I might as well have bought a Subaru Imprezza or Mitsubishi Evo for £4k that are quick, 4WD and more than a match for the 944 performance wise BUT looks like plastic melted wheelie bins and have no character or wow (unless your a Chav) and certainly doesn't get looked at admiringly when you drive down the road [
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p.s. sorry if my drivelling has sent you to sleep, but I really feel that we need to appreciate these cars for what they were intended by Porsche and value them accordingly []
The cost of these cars before options in 1990 was
944S2 £34,641
944 Turbo £42,719
As an example a 964 Carrera 2 Coupe was £45,820 at the same time (so not much more than the 944 Turbo) [8|]
To compare it to a Ford Sierra RS Cosworth Sapphire of the same year it cost £27,060 new and the build quality, design and handling are a fraction of the quality of the Porsche 944's
These cars are currently one of the weakest Ford RS models to buy and currently one of the cheapest to pick up but even they are commanding more than the 944 and they are basically a 4 door saloon with a 200bhp 16v Turbo engine upfront!!!
Excellent : £8-11,000
Very Good : £6-8,000
Average : £4-6,000
Project : £2-4,000
If we keep talking these cars down then they will end up being scrapped as a lot of people will not want to spend £1500+ fixing a car that is not worth much more and the people who will end up buying them will run them until they get a large bill then break them for spares as it makes more money than selling them to new owners!!
I am new again to 944 ownership after a 20 year gap but I bought the best car I could afford with a full history and low mileage and have just sent it to Hartech to get a Full Gold service and any other bits that may require doing whilst they are checking it over. I am not rich but love my cars and would rather stay in for a few weekends to keep my car on the road.
I intend to keep this car for a long time and accept that a Porsche costs money to run and maintain otherwise I might as well have bought a Subaru Imprezza or Mitsubishi Evo for £4k that are quick, 4WD and more than a match for the 944 performance wise BUT looks like plastic melted wheelie bins and have no character or wow (unless your a Chav) and certainly doesn't get looked at admiringly when you drive down the road [
]p.s. sorry if my drivelling has sent you to sleep, but I really feel that we need to appreciate these cars for what they were intended by Porsche and value them accordingly [
]Martin, was having the same debate on pistonheads, we kind of decided that the Sierra was aspired to by more people as it was a halo model for a standard saloon car and did well in motorsport, even as a lover of the 944 I can see the appeal of the "Cossie" but I know what you mean about realtive cost and quality when new, I thinkthe Sierra was more attainable being cheaper and had a link back to the average punters 1.6 GL, where the 944 was the "cheap" Porsche, even being cheaper than the 911 (not by much) it was still expensive, way beyond 5the average working man ao I think a lot probably liked them but labelled it as not worth aspiring to as will never be able to afford one, 944's were for the wealthy, but not quite 928 wealthy (element of choice in it as well regardless of budget) so it was bottom of one league, the Cosworth was top of a league a couple of rungs down. I dont think we should talk them down but reality bits when we try to sell them, for every Cosworth 3 door that goes up for sale it seems there are ten middle aged geyser down well RS lovers with wads of cash, even manky old MK1 Escort Mexicos are way more expensive than a decent 944 turbo, the MK1 Escort is a nice enough old thing but in terms of capabiltiy they were a bit rubbish as standard so it can only be nostalgia, zeitgeist or something that pushes prices up as a wobbly 89 bhp saloon car versus a 250 bhp coupe it is no comeptition, even the ropiest Lux is a better car by a long way, even Capri 2.8's seem to go for more than 944's !
Incidentall, how much was a cab like mine new in 1991 ? I was thinkign they were 30k
Incidentall, how much was a cab like mine new in 1991 ? I was thinkign they were 30k
MartinRS2K
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I've got 2 MK2 RS2000's and both cost more than my 944 Turbo but neither of them is an enjoyable drive on the motorway and the modified one which has 170bhp is a fraction of the car the 944 is and feels so weary to drive on any decent journey. Yes they have an appeal as we grew up with them, and they were an achievable goal when we were lads in the early 80's but they were already confined to the history books as Ford had moved on to Turbo's in the MK3 Escort then the Sierra.
As for your S2 Cab in May 1990 it was on the road for £39,713 without any options
As for your S2 Cab in May 1990 it was on the road for £39,713 without any options
I would say yes and no.
It seems that the debate is more often about the price he charges for his 944's as opposed to the dealer himself.
Cheers, Paul
Kongsodoken
Active member
I purchased my car from this dealer, found them to be very straight, when the invoice for the belts could not be found they reduced the price by £500 to cover ....my indi informed me the belts were infact new I paid £5950K for what I think is a nice Turbo....
It would be nice if all dealers put so much effort into the adverts
It would be nice if all dealers put so much effort into the adverts
andy watson
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Ken, you paid or you've spent £5950??? [
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GlennS
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As long as I own one of these beasties, that I've frankly poured far too much money into, I am quite happy to see dealers push the street prices as high as possible. It means I stand a slight chance of recouping a microscopically small part of my "investment" should I ever decided to sell it...
Kongsodoken
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ORIGINAL: andy watson
Ken, you paid or you've spent £5950??? [
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][] I think I've spent 5x the purchase price .....so PLEASE PLEASE lets talk the prices up
The trouble we have is that to the layman they are still regarded the "poor man's" Porsche and a "proper" Porsche is a 911 in some guise, that is my experience, interestingly most "Porsche" owners know what they are and appreciate them.
I think that the exploits on track of the 944's have made a lot of Porsche owners sit up and take notice, prices are rising steadily and long may it continue !
I was filling up with V Power at a Shell station last year and the pretty young cashier commented on the old 220 saying that it was gorgeous and wanted to talk about the car even though there was a queue behind me, i was very surprised about her comments and made the morning for me.
As has been mentioned before a lot of first time Porsche owners will now be looking at Boxsters, i know of a mint speed yellow, low mileage full history 3.2 S for 10k this amount will put you in a decent 996 also, this cannot help our cause price wise.
I think that the exploits on track of the 944's have made a lot of Porsche owners sit up and take notice, prices are rising steadily and long may it continue !
I was filling up with V Power at a Shell station last year and the pretty young cashier commented on the old 220 saying that it was gorgeous and wanted to talk about the car even though there was a queue behind me, i was very surprised about her comments and made the morning for me.
As has been mentioned before a lot of first time Porsche owners will now be looking at Boxsters, i know of a mint speed yellow, low mileage full history 3.2 S for 10k this amount will put you in a decent 996 also, this cannot help our cause price wise.
MartinRS2K
Active member
I've got a 1990 Porsche Price List, not got one for any other year sorry
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