ICE Boxster/Cayman finished
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Sad day for petrol heads
It’s a moot point Robin, but like all the traditional vehicle manufacturers Porsche made the decision during different times. It takes a long time to develop a new car and once committed it’s almost impossible to reverse the decision. Knowing what they know now would they have taken the hybrid route? Who knows, but we are where we are and we’ll have to see what turns-up when the EVs arrive … eventually!
You can be sure that they’ll be quick off the mark even if the top speed could be a bit restricted, and the ride and handling will be very well sorted if the Taycan is anything to go by.
Rumour has it that the Boxster will arrive before the Cayman.
Jeff
You can be sure that they’ll be quick off the mark even if the top speed could be a bit restricted, and the ride and handling will be very well sorted if the Taycan is anything to go by.Rumour has it that the Boxster will arrive before the Cayman.
Jeff
The 718’s too dated a platform to consider an update, and redesigning the EV chassis for a hybrid would take an enormous engineering effort, let alone the costs involved, for what is an entry level Porsche sports car niche product. We’re not talking the “halo” 911 product here Robin.
I’m sure that Porsche view this as dipping their toe into the electric sports car market, which is where they’re going to have to be in 10-years time if they want to sell into the EU, UK, China, etc. Who knows what will happen in Trumpland?
Jeff
I’m sure that Porsche view this as dipping their toe into the electric sports car market, which is where they’re going to have to be in 10-years time if they want to sell into the EU, UK, China, etc. Who knows what will happen in Trumpland?
Jeff
Well, I guess we have seem it coming for long enough. Whatever Porsche do, a replacement is not likely to hit UK showrooms before mid to end 2027 - a two year hiatus. That, combined with the uncertainty of what we will actually get then, or if we get a replacement at all, is really going to test brand loyalty. We know the values of the 718 ICE cars, but we just hope that those values are carried over into the new EC cars, but there is already significant doubt as to whther Porsche can pull this one off. Many customers will choose to go elsewhere.
What's the value you place on the Porsche badge. Is it enough to keep you hanging on to your existing car and trusting that something good will happen? What could Porsche do to maintain your confidence?
What's the value you place on the Porsche badge. Is it enough to keep you hanging on to your existing car and trusting that something good will happen? What could Porsche do to maintain your confidence?
My take on it all is that the [Boxster?] EV is slated for MY2027, so September 2026? Which means we’re likely to see the first cars arrive here in spring 2027 … if it all happens! Whatever, it’s a long time without a replacement product, which as you say John potentially will be a problem for Porsche to maintain brand loyalty, although currently there aren’t many equivalent sports cars that spring to mind. Maybe suddenly there’ll be a huge demand for Lotus Emiras!
When the EVs do arrive eventually, if there’s significant market resistance could we see some heavy discounting by Porsche to gain market share?
Interesting times ahead!
Jeff
When the EVs do arrive eventually, if there’s significant market resistance could we see some heavy discounting by Porsche to gain market share?
Interesting times ahead!Jeff
I must admit I considered an Emira at launch when it had a list price of c.£70k. A V6 supercharged manual...what's not to love but you try and get one for that now. As it stands the Emira is sitting in base 911 money and I think I know where my money would go.
I'm saddened that the 718 is gone however mine is going nowhere so I think I'll manage. I'm not a lover of the ADAS systems, they are a total PITA. My Daughter's Picanto has them and I have to turn them off every time I get in. Fortunately Kia have been sensible and it only take 2 pushes of a button.
I know that the 718 platform wasn't one of Porsches best sellers but it is/was an introduction to the brand for many, me included. A 911 is a little out of my budget and I find it too big for UK roads. I parked next to a 912 the other day and was surprised how similar in size they were.
Is now the time to go looking for a 718 Cayster? I'm not sure. With the model now out of production new and used prices could go either way. Up, because the model is now longer available and the hunger for an analogue sports car with the German prancing horse on the front or dip as dealers want to get rid of 718 stock that's sat on the forecourt. Personally i think it will be the former, especially on the like of Auto Trader but I don't think prices will rocket, not for a couple of years at least, maybe they will once the EV is released and it flops (just look at the Taycan and Macan EV for history).
If I were Porsche I'd have gone down the Turbo E-Hybrid as in the 992.2. Fully understand the 982 platform is almost 10 years old (13 if you include the 981) but even so, I don't think the execs at Porsche would be having as much of a twitchy bum moment as they are at the moment. Personally I think a 718 turbo hybrid would have sold very well.
Dan
I'm saddened that the 718 is gone however mine is going nowhere so I think I'll manage. I'm not a lover of the ADAS systems, they are a total PITA. My Daughter's Picanto has them and I have to turn them off every time I get in. Fortunately Kia have been sensible and it only take 2 pushes of a button.
I know that the 718 platform wasn't one of Porsches best sellers but it is/was an introduction to the brand for many, me included. A 911 is a little out of my budget and I find it too big for UK roads. I parked next to a 912 the other day and was surprised how similar in size they were.
Is now the time to go looking for a 718 Cayster? I'm not sure. With the model now out of production new and used prices could go either way. Up, because the model is now longer available and the hunger for an analogue sports car with the German prancing horse on the front or dip as dealers want to get rid of 718 stock that's sat on the forecourt. Personally i think it will be the former, especially on the like of Auto Trader but I don't think prices will rocket, not for a couple of years at least, maybe they will once the EV is released and it flops (just look at the Taycan and Macan EV for history).
If I were Porsche I'd have gone down the Turbo E-Hybrid as in the 992.2. Fully understand the 982 platform is almost 10 years old (13 if you include the 981) but even so, I don't think the execs at Porsche would be having as much of a twitchy bum moment as they are at the moment. Personally I think a 718 turbo hybrid would have sold very well.
Dan
Looks like it comes down to regulatory requirement to produce zero emission vehicles and several friends have just ordered new Porsches and been given substantial incentives by Porsche to opt for electric versions with OPCs saying Porsche need to shift many more EVs to comply with EU regulations.
We're being pushed to EV daily drivers with ICE cars becoming leisure / enthusiasts cars and still plenty of enthusiasts out there which should maintain values and keep ICE cars going.
So far UK EV used prices are heavily distorted by UK tax rules that give great tax benefits to companies for new EVs leading to supply-demand imbalance and depressed prices for used premium EVs.
We're being pushed to EV daily drivers with ICE cars becoming leisure / enthusiasts cars and still plenty of enthusiasts out there which should maintain values and keep ICE cars going.
So far UK EV used prices are heavily distorted by UK tax rules that give great tax benefits to companies for new EVs leading to supply-demand imbalance and depressed prices for used premium EVs.
Much as I agree with your sentiments Dan I don’t think any update of the 982 platform is feasible. As well as being an old 981-based platform it’s not cybersecurity compliant, and the interior would require significant updates to bring it in line with Porsche’s current range. Add to that the cost of some type of hybridisation for Euro7 compliance and chassis updates and you’re looking at huge design, development and tooling costs for what is an entry-level Porsche. It’s a non-starter I’m afraid.
Adapting the upcoming EV would be a much better starting point, but again the costs of converting it to a hybrid means that you’re looking at huge costs for a car that would have a limited lifespan. The Porsche board just wouldn’t sign that off I’m afraid.
Porsche have backed themselves into a corner with this one, and we’ll just have to wait and see what happens over the coming year. At least they have more time for development and to iron-out any manufacturing issues before the release date, although I fear that bankruptcy issues with the Swedish battery supplier Northolt still could be their biggest obstacle to series production.
Jeff
PS: The impending closure of the Osnabrück production facility probably has been the final nail in 982 coffin!
Adapting the upcoming EV would be a much better starting point, but again the costs of converting it to a hybrid means that you’re looking at huge costs for a car that would have a limited lifespan. The Porsche board just wouldn’t sign that off I’m afraid.
Porsche have backed themselves into a corner with this one, and we’ll just have to wait and see what happens over the coming year. At least they have more time for development and to iron-out any manufacturing issues before the release date, although I fear that bankruptcy issues with the Swedish battery supplier Northolt still could be their biggest obstacle to series production.
Jeff
PS: The impending closure of the Osnabrück production facility probably has been the final nail in 982 coffin!
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It's a sobering thought that Porsche is just symptomatice of the massive problem its parent company and other european manufactirers face. They have been forced to develop products that few people want and the infrastructure and supply chains can't support. Some good comments on Chris Harris and Friends podcast this week.
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