How future classic??!

[RSGulp]

ORIGINAL: davidcross

True enough but after 20yrs all cars have a history that u need to be aware of and just because they r on PH doesn't mean that they r all straight, aircooled or not.......

Paul McLean at GT Classics will be entirely honest with you about the car and will not sell you a dud. He's a gentleman with utmost integrity and with a good reputation to uphold. He's known to very many people on here on a one-to-one basis. A lot of the forum users on here have bought cars through him.

David - buy the silver car. You won't regret it.

 

[carreraboy]

David, Rich is right, he is one of only two dealers I would put my hand on heart and buy blind. Stop fanny about call him with your credit card and make a little bid and buy it. Sometimes in life you have to take a leap of faith, don't dream it just do it ..... []

 

[jason]

ICON is a word banded about too much imho.

The only RS that will ever be ICONIC will be the 2.7RS. Period.

Plenty of RS's after this may be better cars but they will never be more iconic than the original icon.

Prices will always reflect this, as will worldwide demand.

In fairness almost all derivatives of the RS badge are good cars so buy for your most desired purpose and you won't go far wrong.

The market has certainly levelled in 964/993/996RS prices and may be falling slightly at the minute. They are still falling and will continue to do so in 997 form. Not sure this is the case in 2.7RS prices at all, certainly from the significant rise that 2.4S's have had this year but 2.4S's may be in a bubble thats not sustainable and is dealer generated.

Its a funny old marketplace out there and a funny old world still. IMHO still greater chance of falling prices than rising but thats only because worldwide we are walking along a knifes edge month to month.

As long as you are not buying as a short or medium term investment but to use as the maker intended then you will be ok....cos you won't give a $hit about values and thats the way it should be!!!!

Good luck in the hunt, its half the fun[]

 

[davidcross]

Tks gentlemen I'll be in touch. One last question, how Many LHD's were made does anyone happen to know?!

 

[Hacki]

ORIGINAL: davidcross

Tks gentlemen I'll be in touch. One last question, how Many LHD's were made does anyone happen to know?!

Check this great site, it´s run by a forum regular. He will also answer any other question.

http://www.964rsdatabase.com/

Rgds,

Hacki

P.S.: Just back from a ride in the Cup car on country roads.

 

[PhilRS]

What I would find interesting to know is the current range of values of 964 RSs, depending on condition. Truth being told, 10 years ago, 964 RSs represented a cheap entry point into 911 territory for track day people. The variability of quality and therefore value must be higher across the existing range than what one might expect from scanning e.g. Herr Schmitz website. There has been a considerable stretching of values on the top end of the market, but I wonder how values for "good used cars" have evolved, particularly recently?

Another interesting question is whether 964 993 race cars (particularly cups, more common than e.g. RSRs of GT2s) will ever become more valuable than the street versions--particularly clubsport versions.

 

[carreraboy]

There is no doubt Phil, real N-GT/RSR and Cup Cars will always be ahead of the M002 values in particular the 3.8 RS/R these will acheive future Ferrari F40/GTO status and currently offer great investment potential .... THe silver car and yellow high mileage cars seem yo offer good value on Pistonheads and once sold there seems nothing else about for the nearly 20k£ more. People seem to judge these by the time they have been for sale .... I would think great time to swoop and make an offer, then wrap it up for the winter and see a what will be a great buy next season where the entry level now about £50K be £60K .... I could be wrong[]

PS. Let's not forget the weak £ to Euro is also a hedge for LHD cars .......

 

[Melv]

a hedge for LHD cars ......

I don't think 'hedge' and 'cars' should be used in the same sentence.............[]

 

[Talat]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

THe silver car and yellow high mileage cars seem yo offer good value on Pistonheads and once sold there seems nothing else about for the nearly 20k£ more. People seem to judge these by the time they have been for sale .... I would think great time to swoop and make an offer, then wrap it up for the winter and see a what will be a great buy next season where the entry level now about £50K be £60K .... I could be wrong[]

I'm hoping to view the Yellow one today if the weather holds out - mileage doesn't bother me too much although I would have preferred something stock-ish - beggars can't be choosers and all that

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

David, Rich is right, he is one of only two dealers I would put my hand on heart and buy blind. Stop fanny about call him with your credit card and make a little bid and buy it. Sometimes in life you have to take a leap of faith, don't dream it just do it ..... []

Silver ex- Matt car seems to be sold ...... maybe someone here? Looked very good value surprised it was round for so long ... yellow one still there then a BIG jump in price for the red one! Seems £60k plus is the benchmark for a decent example. In the Porsche market scheme of things that is actually still cheap given what yet get new from Porsche for £60k!

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Silver ex- Matt car seems to be sold ...... maybe someone here? Looked very good value surprised it was round for so long ... yellow one still there then a BIG jump in price for the red one!

Seems £60k plus is the benchmark for a decent example.

Were the silver one and yellow one not decent examples then Des?

 

[harry]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

There is no doubt Phil, real N-GT/RSR and Cup Cars will always be ahead of the M002 values in particular the 3.8 RS/R these will acheive future Ferrari F40/GTO status I could be wrong[]

PS. Let's not forget the weak £ to Euro is also a hedge for LHD cars .......

You are wrong Des, RS will never reach the status of F40 let alone a GTO []

 

[h_____]

Tend to agree - hopefully there is still away for them to go yet, but I dont see the cars making 2.7rs money, or top ferrari money. However, there is niche to be found if racing scene takes off, this could keep prices at decent levels.

Part of the problem is that I dont think that the 964 had the success in motorsport that the 2.7rs saw. As Jason said, not sure I'd use the word ICON with 964RS, its a great car, but it never got the exposure of an icon. That doesnt matter, as so long as there is a large enough group to keep interest high which intern will keep values high.

As for never buying a car as an investment, I think a lot of us have 964RS as a safe place to keep the money. I'm keen to ensure I get the capital back even if not running costs. The lack of depreciation is an appealing element of ownership.

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: jason

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Silver ex- Matt car seems to be sold ...... maybe someone here? Looked very good value surprised it was round for so long ... yellow one still there then a BIG jump in price for the red one!

Seems £60k plus is the benchmark for a decent example.

Were the silver one and yellow one not decent examples then Des?

NO NO NO Jason .... they seem on the surface as in my previous submissions (please read mate) a really good buy, particularly being rtailed by GT Classics .... []

I did not say values would emulate F40 and GTO Fezza BUT status in the world of classics ... but hey what do I know[]

 

[Hacki]

ORIGINAL: harry

You are wrong Des, RS will never reach the status of F40 []

That´s right, the RS will never be an overrated poor quality car with a tendency to burn or break down after a few hot laps.[]

Hacki

P.S.: The F 40 is a great car actually, but there´s some truth in the sentence above.

 

[carreraboy]

Remember one on fire at the ring in front of me ..... all the pick up truck brought in was a bit of moulton metal which I presume was the engine block .... indeed great cars the fezza and do think 964RS will reward an owner more and HAS similar status but not in the eyes of the collectors worth as much.

 

[Melv]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

.......do think 964RS will reward an owner more and HAS similar status but not in the eyes of the collectors worth as much.

Just wait and see.............but Cups with provenance, on the other hand.......[]

 

[Hacki]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

"Was ist in Ihrem Handschuhfach?"

Die Fahrzeugpapiere, Ohrstöpsel und ein Paar Original Fahrerhandschuhe des Jaguar Silk Cut Werksteams von 1990.

 

[chfs911]

Agreed the F1 driver cars will be worth a shed load!




Of fresh manure!

 

[Hacki]

ORIGINAL: Melv

Just wait and see.............but Cups with provenance, on the other hand.......[]

Jawohl, mein Gruppenführer, jawohl![]