Diesel Cayenne Coming?

[Guest]

hello guys,

i am slightly out of touch with this forum or with porsche! so, please excuse the silly question.

my everyday car is a merc 270 cdi and have provisionally placed an order for its replacement which comes out late next year. but i am also so tempted to buy the less ubiquitous and cool looking cayenne, but the thought of it being so thirsty is off putting, therefore cannot afford to run one. []

my question is - quite obvious - will there be a VW based diesel engine going into the cayenne chasis in the near future? (i have heard rumours?) if so, that would consummate my porsche ownership collection as my other 'toy' is a 993 911 cab...along with a BMW r1200gs bike. (if porsche were to build motorbikes i'd buy one! [])

any news appreciated.

thank you.

 

[Mark_Bennett]

ORIGINAL: tigerwoods

(if porsche were to build motorbikes i'd buy one! []

Porsche have denied many times that they will ever do a diesel (so look for one soon then )

Porsche designed the engine for the Harley Davidson V-rod

 

[John H]

Porsche designed the engine for the Harley Davidson V-rod

Hmmm [8D] shameless self promotion opportunity ahoy []

http://motobykz.co.uk/Harley/V-rod-test.htm


John H (part-time bike journalist!)

 

[Rotorhead]

Even if Porsche were to develop a diesel engine it is more likely to be a big capacity V10 than the more frugal 2.7Cdi or 3.0d from Mercedes and BMW.

I'm not convinced about Mercedes these days -the tie up with Chrysler, uninsiring designs, questionable build and reliability.......

However, I do think the new M-Class will be good. Mercedes know they have to beat the X5 and Cayenne so it really will have to set new standards.

 

[Guest]

if it is anything v10 like the one it is in the vw touareg i'd order one............being a diesel it should have better residuals, too.

come on herr doctor porsche, hurry up and build one!

 

[Mark_Bennett]

ORIGINAL: John H

Porsche designed the engine for the Harley Davidson V-rod

Hmmm [8D] shameless self promotion opportunity ahoy []

http://motobykz.co.uk/Harley/V-rod-test.htm


John H (part-time bike journalist!)

John,

If I had known, I would have linked to your article!
(Have to remember that for the future...)

 

[Guest]

As Mark already mentioned, the official line is that there will be no diesel.

However, as already mentioned on another thread, there is a tie-up of some sort with Toyota for their hybrid electric power.
Since the biggest market for the Cayenne is the US, and they are considering emissions, the Cayenne could keep the performance with a modest petrol engine with electric backup.
This may be part funded with VW (Toureg) and Audi (Q7 I think it is).

It seems a little surprising, but Porsche may feel they can differentiate themselves and add something new by following this route. It would allow them to get some patents and IPR in a relatively new area, and would get them some experience in what is likely to become an important area.
As mentioned before, Mr. Porsche (mk1) invented an electric vehicle around 1900, so it would be nothing new, and would give the marketing people something to get excited about.
Of course if something does happen, it will be 2-3 years (maybe more?) away.

 

[ClubSport 911]

if it is anything v10 like the one it is in the vw touareg i'd order one

Well, I wouldn't. The V10 in this "hovercraft" [&:] is not advanced...it's just big. In terms of nm/kg then it is easily overshadowed by cars from Ford / Jaguar / BMW....

I hope the Porsche diesel (for it will come) is going to employ dual turbo and other modern tricks.

 

[Sundeep]

forget the 5 litre V10 Diesel..

what about the Euroland only 450bhp 6.0 Litre W12 (12 cylinder) Sport Touareg !!
[]

 

[Tony]

Why this clamour for an oil burning Cayenne? If economy is so important buy the Toureg - it a good car, mostly like a Cayenne but with the diesel and other economy bits.
Buy the Cayenne is you want a big multi purpose sports saloon/estate. The sound of that V8 winding up past 6K is worth a few mpg alone - better than the sound of a diesel wizzing round to 4500 []

Tony

 

[Tony]

Nearly forgot - W12 sounds interesting - but what about a real V10 from the GT

 

[Andy Tims]

If you want fuel economy

1) Don't by a bloody great 4 x 4 when for load / people transport an estate will be better 99 times out a a 100.
2) Don't buy a Porsche

 

[Guest]

Quite.
Porsche = performance.
Performance = burning fuel, you don't get owt for nowt.
For beter (or for worse) Porsche are into 4x4.
Hence Porsche 4x4 = gas guzzling beast.

V8's sound superb, comparable even to a flat 6.
Porsche's are expensive to run, maintain, insure, ....

Therefore, have it and f**k the cost. They should only make the V8 turbo. Anything else is just pretending.
Otherwise buy an X5 for the road and a Landcruiser/Defender for the orf road.

Why buy a Porsche to hug trees, go slowly and belch black smoke?
(Gratuitously provocative post.)

 

[Helen Goff]

Why buy a Porsche to hug trees, go slowly and belch black smoke?

im saying nothing on this subject[]

 

[Diver944]

I didn't know you had the M030 barbeque option Helen [&:]

 

[timhum2002]

Stuart

Performance doesn't just mean speed, it also encompasses being fit for the purpose intended. Now if I want to go like the clappers in a truck I would consider the turbo although some of the American pick-ups are great in straight line. But surely the purpose of the Cayenne in to build the best 4x4 in the world, if this is the case a big high torque advanced diesel is the best motor for doing the job. Compare going down a very steep incline in a petrol and a diesel 4x4 and you will immediately realise the benefit.

Have to agree about the V8 sound, nothing quite like it,

Tim

996C4
Disco, complete with ear defenders.

 

[Helen Goff]

ORIGINAL: Diver944

I didn't know you had the M030 barbeque option Helen [&:]

ner BBQ's for whimps i went for the whole pig roast option in the boot [8D]


BTW, for the record, just spent the week-end hooning around the brecon beacons with a group of other (mixed)Porsches and i can tell you the Cayenne is no slouch, i not only kept up but in fact over took [8D]

 

[Guest]

But surely the purpose of the Cayenne in to build the best 4x4 in the world

I think this is at the heart of the problem.
I am not sure quite what role it is supposed to perform.

The US oriented SUV market is not about off road driving, except on graded dirt tracks which most cars can manage. The majority of their off road vehicles are not that capable.
The other problem is that low profile, high grip road tyres and not much cop off road, and vice versa.

Despite some of the claims, the Cayenne is intended as an on-road vehicle.
If this is the case, that it is a sports car with a high up driving position with room for the kitchen sink, then power with lots of mid range torque is what is required. Rather than shutting down cylinders when not required on a bug engine (US strategy), have a smaller engine with turbos, then the fuel efficiency is not too terrible at manoeuvering speed, but you have the grunt when warp drive is required.

If it is really supposed to be a hard core off road machine, would you really rely on one to get you from one side of Australia to the other without using a road, or across the Sahara? I think not. It is too complicated for this type of use.

 

[Tony]

I think this is at the heart of the problem.
I am not sure quite what role it is supposed to perform.

This may indeed be the issue - no 'normal' label defines this thing.
I think the guy that won the Clowes Cup on the recent London/ Sydney might disagree about its ability trans Oz. - and anyway it's a Porsche, so you expect it to do what it say's on the tin.

Again, if you want a Diesel 4x4 get the Toureg - or the X5 if you want to go off-road and but don't need to keep moving.

Porsche last built diesels for tractors - (did they actually build them or were they Porsche designed and built under licence?) - lets keep it that way.
Even a hybrid would sound 'proper' some of the time.

Tony

 

[Guest]

i think it boils down to:

if you can afford to run a cayenne then you (hardcore porsche owners) would like herr doctor porsche and his board members only ever to produce the petrol variants of the cayenne.

and if some of you are like me, (and i am not ashamed to admit it) cannot afford to run a petrol cayenne would like to see herr doctor porsche introducing a diesel cayenne variant.

but, if i lived in the US or CANADA where fuel is bloody cheap i would not have started this thread up in the first place as i would not give a toss about the price of petrol or the miles to the gallon the cayenne fuel up. and it is because i live in britain i care about how my money is spent or lost. for example, i would rather spend £50k on a diesel cayenne (if there were one that is) than a £50k petrol cayenne because (and we all know this) after a three years the residual of the diesel will be far higher than that of its petrol cousin.

so, to sum it all, if i were well off, affluent like some of you lot out there, i, also would not agree on a diesel cayenne. and because i am not that well off and that i am a porsche marque enthusiast, i dearly would love to see herr doctor porsche considering producing a diesel cayenne so that i could own one.

and it's not about losing face if porsche were to produce a diesel cayenne. it is about making money for the company. if they see there is a gap in the market for one, they will or should go ahead. think about it, worst case scenario, if porsche were to fall on hardship like they had before when the boxter saved its ass, then a diesel cayenne may be imminent!

who knows what the motoring climate is going to be like? if the top 4x4 marques; range rover; mercedes benz; bmw build diesel and petrol variants then why shouldn't porsche if they see there is a demand?