..and of course this was going around earlier this year.
https://www.motor1.com/news/144857/porsche-cayman-gt4rs-spied-nurburgring/
https://www.motor1.com/news/144857/porsche-cayman-gt4rs-spied-nurburgring/
Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition
- Thread starter ralphmusic
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The most convincing timing "info" I've heard is Clubsport to race teams v early 2019 and road car launch 4Q 2018 with on-road 1Q 2019.
I suppose the LA show in December next year would be be a good opportunity to launch the car given it's popularity over the pond. Plenty of time to get the development and the manufacturing slots sorted if that's the case.
If that's correct then it's going to be quiet on here for a while Ralph..!
Jeff
If that's correct then it's going to be quiet on here for a while Ralph..!
Jeff
If it's anything like the 911T they can stick it ;-)
no surprise a leaked shot of the next GT car as soon as the 911T has been and gone and the GT2 RS has done it's thing.
the cars are like clockwork now spy shots come within weeks of the last model launch.
Porsche are shifting cars like a high speed express train and selling out every model.
911T was a joke car imo it was a shitter back in the day the T model and it's the shitter now, but it sold 4000 units within a week lol
no surprise a leaked shot of the next GT car as soon as the 911T has been and gone and the GT2 RS has done it's thing.
the cars are like clockwork now spy shots come within weeks of the last model launch.
Porsche are shifting cars like a high speed express train and selling out every model.
911T was a joke car imo it was a shitter back in the day the T model and it's the shitter now, but it sold 4000 units within a week lol
Brian_Innes
Member
David,
Interesting your comments on the 911T. I'm not impressed with it either.
I'd rather have a spiced 718 Cayman S..........
Brian
Interesting your comments on the 911T. I'm not impressed with it either.
I'd rather have a spiced 718 Cayman S..........
Brian
Jeff,
The current Clubsport was launched at LA 2015 and was also featured at the similarly timed Essen Motor Show which is easily accessed by high speed express train from Dusseldorf airport.
Of course there is Frankfurt in September if they get the road version sorted by then.. It can't be difficult being a 4.0L as it would have the same basic body for which they have the press tools from Osnabrück and the rest will likely be modest updates in the Porsche way plus PDK from the Clubsport, of course.
Here is a PCA interview with the Clubsport programme director from December 2015 in which he says amongst other things it was developed between January and November 2015 and confirms my earlier post on track days that they run it with more oil than stock to manage oil surge under race conditions.
Anyway only time will tell, so I'm off to buy Christmas presents...
Ralph
The current Clubsport was launched at LA 2015 and was also featured at the similarly timed Essen Motor Show which is easily accessed by high speed express train from Dusseldorf airport.
Of course there is Frankfurt in September if they get the road version sorted by then.. It can't be difficult being a 4.0L as it would have the same basic body for which they have the press tools from Osnabrück and the rest will likely be modest updates in the Porsche way plus PDK from the Clubsport, of course.
Here is a PCA interview with the Clubsport programme director from December 2015 in which he says amongst other things it was developed between January and November 2015 and confirms my earlier post on track days that they run it with more oil than stock to manage oil surge under race conditions.
Anyway only time will tell, so I'm off to buy Christmas presents...
Ralph
spyderwhite
Member
MrDemon said:
When I went on the configurator I was able to get the T down to about £89k but a similar spec. manual C2S can be had for a few K more with the same gear ratios as the T if rumours are true they share same final drive. I know which I would rather have!
Back on topic if the 718gt4 arrives late next year I would say that is very close to the 718.2 release!
And with all 911/caysters now built in Germany doesn't allow for a lot of production room. The reason they were able to build so many 981gt4 was they were built on the Osnabruck production line at the end of the 981 lifespan.
Ralph,
I'd be interested to know how Porsche plans to reverse-engineer the 718 BIW engine bay to 981 spec given the level of automation in the body plant. If it's to be repeat performance then they'll be making more than 6,000 bodies. Quite a sizeable batch..! Maybe they'll get away with using the 718 body with appropriate flat-6 powertrain mount bracketry.
Just out of interest, is Osnabrück just an assembly facility or do they build and paint the bodies there too?
Good plan to get Christmas present purchases out of the way early by the way.
Jeff
I'd be interested to know how Porsche plans to reverse-engineer the 718 BIW engine bay to 981 spec given the level of automation in the body plant. If it's to be repeat performance then they'll be making more than 6,000 bodies. Quite a sizeable batch..! Maybe they'll get away with using the 718 body with appropriate flat-6 powertrain mount bracketry.
Just out of interest, is Osnabrück just an assembly facility or do they build and paint the bodies there too?
Good plan to get Christmas present purchases out of the way early by the way.
Jeff
BJ Innes said:
I think the 911 GTS is the car to spec over the T if you want a 911 and rear seats, you can choose any of the SUS options and it has 450BHP out the box.
I wonder if Porsche now plan a "E" and an "S" model leading upto a RS model, as the GT3 in NA form is dead after the 991.2 RS due out in 4 months.
GT4 then can get the 4.0 NA engine in 2019 and all 911's go turbo inc. GT models. T, E, S, RS for the sporty models. with the T and GT2 RS already turbo.
Motorhead said:
Jeff,
Osnabrück is a rare press shop to complete car factory with a pre-production press capability. They had just one body auto welding (multi-stage) station in April 2015 for base, S, GTS and GT4 models.
I just don't see production of modest changes to body in white being a big issue. I don't see why they would reverse-engineer the 718 BIW when they already have a 981 flat 6 suitable BIW design and tooling. They would have minor changes from 981 GT4 to 982 GT4 with same engine block, don't you think?
Every plant I've been to has different models/shells being build on same line. At Osnabrück they batch different press parts and the assembly stations deal with different bodies either in batch or on the fly, else they would have zero flexibility. When I was last at Osnabrück they were commissioned by Porsche to make (as I recall) 100 Caymans (all types) a day.
Ralph
Edited build quantity to reflect my previous 2015 post
Ralph,
Thanks for the info; I didn't appreciate Osnabrück's capability. I thought they may just be an assembly facility, with painted bodies and parts coming from Stuttgart and suppliers.
From what you describe, I'm sure they'd have no problems building a modified 718 BIW to accept the flat-6 engine. If there's only one body auto welding station, perhaps they'd choose to set it up specifically to produce the GT4 bodies in batches, although I suppose it depends upon the flexibilty of the station.
Jeff
Thanks for the info; I didn't appreciate Osnabrück's capability. I thought they may just be an assembly facility, with painted bodies and parts coming from Stuttgart and suppliers.
From what you describe, I'm sure they'd have no problems building a modified 718 BIW to accept the flat-6 engine. If there's only one body auto welding station, perhaps they'd choose to set it up specifically to produce the GT4 bodies in batches, although I suppose it depends upon the flexibilty of the station.
Jeff
The rear reminds me of this....
Equally hideous Ralph; and at least the GT4 unit is just bolt-on.
Once again there's been a lot of fluff on PH about the engine. The general concensus is that it will be a 4.0L n/a flat-6 but there are some (over optimistic?) mutterings that it will be a detuned GT3 unit. Much as we'd all like to see that, I can't see it happening - far too complex and expensive to engineer for the GT4 - and we have to assume that Porsche are planning to keep the cost to a reasonable £70k-£75k . This is an engine with a modified crankshaft and valve gear (double variocam and finger operated valves without hydraulic valve adjusters), titatium conrods, forged pistons and a dry-sumped oil system. But never say never, and Porsche surprised us last time by incorporating GT3 suspension components in the GT4. However, they were mainly bolt-on components from the Porsche parts bin and a full-chat GT3 engine is entirely another kettle of fish.
As I've said before, much more straightforward to put the 3.8L heads on the 4.0L block, the latter being a stroked version of the 3.8L. Plus, we have to assume that the GT4 and Spyder will share the same engine, and I can't see any justification for putting a GT3 engine in the Spyder.
Jeff
Once again there's been a lot of fluff on PH about the engine. The general concensus is that it will be a 4.0L n/a flat-6 but there are some (over optimistic?) mutterings that it will be a detuned GT3 unit. Much as we'd all like to see that, I can't see it happening - far too complex and expensive to engineer for the GT4 - and we have to assume that Porsche are planning to keep the cost to a reasonable £70k-£75k . This is an engine with a modified crankshaft and valve gear (double variocam and finger operated valves without hydraulic valve adjusters), titatium conrods, forged pistons and a dry-sumped oil system. But never say never, and Porsche surprised us last time by incorporating GT3 suspension components in the GT4. However, they were mainly bolt-on components from the Porsche parts bin and a full-chat GT3 engine is entirely another kettle of fish.
As I've said before, much more straightforward to put the 3.8L heads on the 4.0L block, the latter being a stroked version of the 3.8L. Plus, we have to assume that the GT4 and Spyder will share the same engine, and I can't see any justification for putting a GT3 engine in the Spyder.
Jeff
Jeff,
4.0L variant of 3.8L NA. Cooking version.
Porsche don't use Variocam GT3 valve gear trickery on their GTE Race cars for reliability reasons.
4.0L variant of 3.8L NA. Cooking version.
Porsche don't use Variocam GT3 valve gear trickery on their GTE Race cars for reliability reasons.
Ralph,
Yes, the 4.0L is just a logical mild upgrade from the 3.8L. Based upon 981 GT4 and Spyder production, Porsche must be looking at a production run exceeding 10k engine units this time round, which makes it worth them firing up the lines again.
Hardly surprising that Variocam is deleted on the race cars - keep it simple, with high lift cams and no variable valve lift too - and leave the fancy stuff for the road cars where tractability, emissions and fuel consumption are important considerations.
Jeff
Yes, the 4.0L is just a logical mild upgrade from the 3.8L. Based upon 981 GT4 and Spyder production, Porsche must be looking at a production run exceeding 10k engine units this time round, which makes it worth them firing up the lines again.
Hardly surprising that Variocam is deleted on the race cars - keep it simple, with high lift cams and no variable valve lift too - and leave the fancy stuff for the road cars where tractability, emissions and fuel consumption are important considerations.
Jeff
The Spyder still has the hump(s)
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a13788831/porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-shots/
Looks ready to launch, maybe LA?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a13788831/porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-shots/
Looks ready to launch, maybe LA?
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