Buchanan at it again.......

[944 man]

Of course it isnt a witch hunt! If the fool didnt keep taking out empty sales ads on PH to criticise the vehicles that others are selling then he wouldnt be the subject of this thread.

Dishonestly described cars and 944s badly spammed up then sold at outrageous prices is good enough reason for us to dislike him, I think.

 

[edh]

It's a good point Martin - but have you ever seen a trader place adverts simply to make assertions about cars he's recently sold and are now being advertised elsewhere? very odd. There's no way he sold a turbo cab for £5k, so he's doctoring his original just to try and make a spurious point.

True, his cars are very clean, and he takes lovely photos, and he must have some very good contacts to secure some of the stock he does. I don't begrudge people a profit from doing a good job.

But we always need to look beneath the glitter (drawing from a lovely metaphor in a previous thread..)

 

[edh]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Ed, the last car that he did this over was a Rubystone Red / Star Ruby S2 cab.

No I mean the original ad for the white cab

 

[Craigybaby]

I don't agree that it's ok for any retailer to misrepresent their products and it be justified by saying its up to the customer to find fault. That's not the modern world we live in.

 

[andrew_churcher]

unfortunately it is what many dealers do though. Their ads are written in such a way so as that unless you find the faults before buying you have no comeback. If they dont state a problem them you cant claim they lied. You get the "as far as I knew at the time" line. So it then becomes a b*ll ache and a half to get any post purchase support. Hence why pre purchase PPI is so important (unless u are confident to do it yourself) as you are buying the car not the seller/dealer.

 

[Craigybaby]

I suppose, although "descriptions that are not always 100 per cent accurate" is at best misleading and at worst lying.

 

[jasonp]

if the guy at bm posts on pistonheads then i imagine that their is a distinct possibility that he logs on here?
i know if i were getting a living from selling "older" porsches then this site and tipec would be a reguler port of call,,i believe that if he posted an opinion regarding this matter from his perspective then he might not have as. much mud slinged at him,,
prices for s2s and turbos do seem to be rising,

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

I think forums are great places to learn what to look for in any potential purchase and be cautioned against any possible pitfalls, however when it comes to discussing/slandering any particular trader you must tread carefully to avoid legal action against yourself and/or Porsche Club GB. I would suggest restraint when discussing any trader and unless you have actually inspected any given car in the flesh to ascertain its true condition/value you should withhold your comments.

I have had the 'pleasure' of inspecting several classics both for concours judging and insurance valuations, all that glitters is not gold in many circumstances, however when said vehicle comes on the market for sale there are many quick to sing its praises and pat the sellers back who have not even seen the car apart from photos on forums, I would hazard this forum is no different at times.

If BM had a car in that interested me would I go and look, probably yes, but it would be a long informed look, as I would do buying any 944 from anyone, trade or PCGB member.

It boils down to the buyer doing his homework, knowing the models weakness's and not being dazzled by salesman's spin.

Cheers, Paul

 

[Craigybaby]

went to have a look again at the BM advert, now withdrawn by PH. Looking at the new ad, can see why BM might be pi55ed off as it basically says they bought the car from BM and it needed £6k of work..it doesn't say whether or not BM had told them that level of work may be needed, and I think it implies BM had been dishonest...which I think BM disputed in their now removed ad. Unless the new owner puts the record straight I guess we'll never know who to believe..and I'm not inclined to believe the new seller considering he appears to be in for circa £11k and wants £20k back.

 

[andrew_churcher]

Seems a statement of fact to me. I highly doubt the dealer offered up this information. Agree we will never know for sure.

I agree the current asking price does seem ridiculous. Mr911 has a white turbo can that started pretty high iirc and is now around the £11k mark. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/944/porsche-944-turbo-cabriolet-1-of-100-produced--65-000-miles/873178

 

[Greg James]

I went to see that car drove two hours and didn't bother to even drive it. low miles is no indication to condition.

 

[944Turbo]

I expect someone complained about the PH ad.

The current seller placed the add with a bit of a mention about the amount of work the car needed after buying it from BM (who no doubt advertised it as timewarp classic etc.) BM then placed his add for £5k with no doubt fictitious or mis-remembered mileage.

I do remember about a year ago there were 2 turbo cabs for sale close to 20k one was white the other wasn't! cant recall exactly, do remember one was slightly higher mileage than mine the other lower but less pleasant spec (4 speaker stereo etc.) not sure if that white one was with BM. I would however be very surprised if BM sold a 944T cab for 5k unless it had fred flinstone floors and no engine. Slagging off cars that you have previously sold seems a very strange practice but probably not out of character for someone who fits box sills over holey metal and then sells cars on at a premium.

Having said all that it is mostly forum hear say and I have no experience of buying from him myself. I did see his posts on pistonheads making out what a selling genius he was, posts about the tarted up wrecks he used to push out, and this vindictive behaviour on cars he has previously sold.


editied cos I used the wrong hear, here

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: Paul190H

ORIGINAL: Craigybaby

Re the mileage, might just be BM being silly and creating doubt to put people off cos he doesn't want the other dealer bagging a 9k profit for some reason

Do you think they would really bother inflating the mileage of the original ad out of spite? Whole legal mess they could get into for no gain!

the advert linked wasnt the original advert it was posted after the genuine for sale one

 

[944 man]

944s now appear to be attracting the most moronic, gouging, gobsh*te imbecilic traders.

Ive just wasted ten minutes looking at the overpriced rubbish on offer from fools on PH. The cars are cabbage magnets!

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

Seems a statement of fact to me. I highly doubt the dealer offered up this information. Agree we will never know for sure.

I agree the current asking price does seem ridiculous. Mr911 has a white turbo can that started pretty high iirc and is now around the £11k mark. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/944/porsche-944-turbo-cabriolet-1-of-100-produced--65-000-miles/873178

that might be the white one I remember
Tony

 

[jasonp]

ORIGINAL: Greg James

I went to see that car drove two hours and didn't bother to even drive it. low miles is no indication to condition.

greg!! if you dont mind saying,, what made you walk away without even driving it?,,jason

 

[jasonp]

ORIGINAL: Greg James

I went to see that car drove two hours and didn't bother to even drive it. low miles is no indication to condition.

greg,what made you walk away and not even bother driving the car? if you dont mind saying,i imagine it must have been vastly overpriced and you may have spotted some potential "nastys" lurking,,jason

 

[Greg James]

Hi Jason. The condition led me to believe that this was not a cared for car. The door under the drivers side wing mirror was dented. The interior looked badly re dyed the spare tyre look as it had lived with a while in a lions den. Stone chips painted by stevie wonder. I would have to think at 7k. And I agreed a sale on the phone for this car at 12k with the description of cars condition and history. Like everyone is saying you have to look and decide for yourself. He had a straight looking Ferrari on his showroom for 100k at the time. Does anyone know what happen to the one is it molton car had up for sale at 24k??

 

[jasonp]

blimey greg! makes mine sound better before the impending paintwork,lol,,must have been gutted after driving for two hours, i would have thought that the one at maltons is gone as they seem to shift a few low mileage 944s and 968s,,that 968 with the supercharger was on sale for ages,dont know if thats sold but their 944s never seem to be about too long,,

 

[Greg James]

Hi Jason I was gutted I still would like a turbo cab. I drove to Cornwall to get another supposedly low mileage mint car. Only to turn up to see rust on the arches and bubbles of rust coming up on the door and colour transfer from a blue cover to white paint. So walked away from that one too. Finally got the one I have now just a normal 944 cab with 80k on the clock. I'm pleased with it but have a niggle for a more special one. Greg