Brake Pads

[Matt]

Chaps

Any ideas as to best brake pads for the RS?

Used 75% on trackdays (but driven there and back). Would like something not too extreme, but better than road pads. No idea what pads are in it currently.

Also any idea where the best place is to buy them from please?

cheers

Matt

 

[Melv]

Try Pagid green, but beware of squeaking when they are cold, and reduced braking. Ensure new anti-squeal shims fitted.

Not so radical (oops! am I allowed to use THAT word!!) as the Pagid orange (not for road use) I run -but it does stop it, eh Bones???

Mel

 

[bones]

It has brakes? I thought we just kept hitting an invisible wall!

 

[Guest]

I put some race pads in mine for Bedford that transformed the stopping power. They are Performance Friction carbon metallic from Neil Bainbridge at BS Motorsport. I was hitting them hard and the difference between them and the standard ones is incomparable. Regular stops from 130 to 30 for the chicane were no drama and I didn't experience brake fade once with lap after lap.

The downside....sqweaky as hell when cold, they still operate fine but there's no sneaking up on anyone..!!

I would live with it if I were 75% track though. As it is I'm about 5% track (at the moment) so I'll be swapping them around with the road pads between track days.

Rob W

 

[lee fulford]

Beware that these Carlos fandago pads can eat your discs....

lee

 

[Melv]

Not if you don't use your brakes Lee.....[]

Mel

 

[lee fulford]

Melv

You've lost me......[8|]...But then thats no suprise.

lee

 

[Guest]

Original Porsche Item for "standard 964RS Lightweight" with some reasonable track use and road. []

 

[Melv]

.....and upgrade the brake fluid to ATE or similar.

Mel

 

[Guest]

I used Pagid Blue for a number of years and found them a good track pad plus good cold performance.

Changed to Pagid Yellow recently - not much more noticable stopping power, but last alot longer.

However they eat you discs BIG time. I had to replace the front discs due to cracking before the pads where half worn.

Now gone back to blues, they may not last as long but you can change them yourself whereas disc replacement = mechanic (which I'm not).

Performance braking 01600 713117 are the cheapest and have a wealth of information/knowldege on teh subject.

 

[SimonExtreme]

Peter

It's your lucky day! I have done all the homework on this and tested the pads for you! Most of what you need to know is on this thread http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=91450 but an update probably helps as well.

I have been using the RS15 (grey's) for a year now. It's been mainly on the road but also a little more serious work! While I have forgotten what other pads feel like, I can report the car is well balanced with these pads and modulation is fine. Wear of both disk and pad desn't seem to be an area of concern.

My brother had a very successful season hillclimbing his Caterham with these pads and sees this as one of the areas of improvement he has made. Being confident in good brakes, particularly from cold, is so important.

The only pad I would try other than these is the Ferodo DS3000. I haven't had personal experience of these and my concern would be modulation and whether the car woudl remain balanced under braking. They are the pad of choice for BTCC racing and are stunning when stone cold! For the difference in performance, I would probably go with the Pagid because I can say its tried and tested (promise!!) and I cannot say the same for the DS3000's.

 

[SimonExtreme]

2 other things.

1. These pads are the top performing pad made (as standard) by pagid.

2. I wouldn't recommend these as an everyday pad even though I will continue to use them. They are very much a race pad and you need to brake accordingly. Hard and sharp is the rule otherwise you get squeal and ultimately glazing. Even then, there is a bit of squeal on longer journey's

 

[carreraboy]

Pagid RS29................do stop.......

 

[jimmyslr]

Another vote for the RS29s. They are the latest Pagid yellow, designed for endurance racing. Bit less retardation than the greys, but better life (pads and disks). If it influences your thoughts, both of the fast 993rs drivers at the 964vs993 showdown were on RS29s and those boys have tried everything out there over A LOT of trackdays.

 

[bruceb]

Some feed back on Ferodo DS 3000

I Use this pad on my SC for trackdays with no problem at all. This pad in combination with Motul 600 fluid was recommended by my workshop who prepare many succesful historic 911 rally cars.

There is minimal pad noise for the road with just a minor squeel with light braking but certainly not offensive. However the main feature is the cold braking which is so much sharper than even the OEM pads. I think the coef of friction is something like 0.6 compared with a lot of other hard compounds at around 0.4. Check the specs for absolute figures I'm going from memory here.

When hot the brakes are fine although pad wear is quire high, typically the fronts last for two trackdays on my car.

big thumbs up from me [][]

Bruce

 

[tim court]

The RS29 is a great trackday pad but I would have thought the RS15 would be better for hillclimb/sprint application due to its cold bite?? Would be heavier on discs probably though?

 

[SimonExtreme]

There is no doubt that the greys should wear disks quicker than the other Pagid pads but disks on the 964RS aren't expensive and if you are competing, add very little in % terms to the overall costs. However, after 6000 road miles on them the pad wear is very acceptable and there is no noticable increase in disk wear.

I have always thought that too much is made of how much pads wear disks. There are some which are stupid in this respect but its usually when using the wrong type of pad for an application.

While I take on board the comments about the RS29, they are nowhere near as good as the greys from cold and even when up to temperature, they aren't as good. I don't think the wear rates would be noticably better but I will know more after Oulton Park.

The figure for the DS3000's is about right and as I said in my original thread, I would certainly give them a go if I started sprinting or hill climbing. However, the comment above is the first time I have ever heard them described as having "minimal pad noise". Everybody I know who uses them (not in Porsches) says they are the noisiest pad around and it was the reason I didn't go for them.

I am suprised to here that the 993RS guys have tried everything out there because I have reason to believe that they haven't tried the greys. I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

So the choice seems to be

RS15 greys - work well and tested on the standard 964RS set up but might be harsh on the disks/wear rates

DS3000 - potentially the best but known to be noisy and, IMO, not fully tested on the car.

RS29 yellow - Well tried and tested but lower performing than the above. Less harsh on disks/wear rate.Its worth remembering that these pads hot are only just better than the RS15's cold!!!

One thing worth noting about both the RS15's and the DS3000's is that they will need more driver skill. Although I consider the modulation good, there is no doubt that it is easy to overbrake. When running standard pads, I cannot remember the abs kicking in at all yet if I am not paying attention, I can overbrake with the greys and get the abs cutting in. And that is on sprited road driving. At "Judgement Day", I didn't feel I was having that problem but then again, a stop watch certainly focuses the mind[]

 

[oldtimer]

? disk wear ...my disks crack and get replaced because the cracks start to join up . Tech 9 usually do the pad ( pagid somethings) and disk replacement and I can't normally tell from the invoice what exactly has been fitted (!)
So far as I am aware I get through 1 set front disks every 2 sets of front pads and the disks dont have time to wear....have had the callipers on them to measure thickness when new and have never seen more than 1mm reduction in thickness [8|]

 

[bruceb]

To quote Simon

"One thing worth noting about both the RS15's and the DS3000's is that they will need more driver skill. Although I consider the modulation good, there is no doubt that it is easy to overbrake."

Yes the brakes do give good bite and require less pedal pressure, I find this makes the car a lot easier to drive compared with when I ran harder pads. Changing gear heel and towing etc can all be accomplished much easier and smoother without having to put all you effort into modulating brake pedal pressure.

Thats the case on my older car, not sure if this would apply with the newer ABS equipped cars?

Bruce

 

[Guest]

Thank you one and all !

When I asked for informed opinions, little did I realise that they would be so well informed. On balance the Pagid grey seem the best option as longevitiy does not feature in the equation - if the car does more than 1500 miles this year I'll be surprised (although these will mostly be flat out from a standing start).

Thanks for all your help

Peter