Bargain fully synthetic oil anyone ?

[ukmastiff]

Before anyone knocks the make , I suggest you research Petronas. They may not be a major player in the U.K but they do make oil for some serious racing teams etc elsewhere.

Anyway , what if i told you I bought enough fully synthetic 10W 40 to do 2 oil changes in most cars for 26.43 delivered ?. You don't even have to put it in your 944 if you dont want to but its certainly good enough ! , if not put it in your Volvo , your Rover anything []

It's obvious it is only so reduced as U.K buyers don't really know the name and theyve got left with it.

Great as a Winter oil and at 13.22 per car for fully synthetic ?

Is this my top bargain lol


Mas

 

[zcacogp]

OK Big Boy, so you tell us about this wonder-oil and then don't tell us where to buy it!

Linkage, mister!


Oli.

 

[ukmastiff]

I'm a tease lol

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/c...ineoils/10w40-engine-oil/?521772481&0&cc5_245

Obviously you still use the code oilspill30 at checkout to be super stingy !


Mas

 

[zcacogp]

Interesting. And possibly a classic case of people seeing 'Synthetic' and thinking it's wonderful; no doubt it is good oil, but it's only SM-rated, so it doesn't meet the latest (highest) oil specifications, which would be SN.

A bargain for fully-synth, I'm sure. But that may explain why it's being sold off cheap.


Oli.

 

[ukmastiff]

Its sn old argument of course but that rating didnt exist in 1986 , 96 or eve 2006 and our cars are still going strong so to me the rating means zilch .

I'd happily use that oil over many modern semi sybth oils that folk use to keep costs down , as you say its likely to be a quality product its not like its a budget quality one by any stretch of the imagination [8|]

Thought it might interest some anyway []

Cheers

 

[edh]

£17.62 delivered for 8 litres.. pretty good. Makes a nice change from £40/4l for "performance " oils. I was very pleased the other year when Esso were selling off Mobil 1 0w40 at £15/5l - I bought a load for my Honda.

I'll try it out on my next oil change after I get back from Spa - and see how it stands up to a trackday in the S2.

at that price it's almost cheap enough to use just to flush out the old oil []

 

[Copperman05]

If it truly does meet Acea A3/B4 engine manufacturers standard for performance engines as it says it does then it will be a decent quality oil.


Edd

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: ukmastiff

Its sn old argument of course but that rating didnt exist in 1986 , 96 or eve 2006 and our cars are still going strong so to me the rating means zilch .

I'd happily use that oil over many modern semi sybth oils that folk use to keep costs down , as you say its likely to be a quality product its not like its a budget quality one by any stretch of the imagination [8|]

I am aware that I am appearing negative, and not meaning to; that's great oil and a very good price. Thanks for posting the link.

API ratings have existed since the early 1960's, and automotive oils have been rated using these specifications since then - they are always written Sx, where the x gives the age of the specification. The SM specification was introduced in November 2004, and is the specification that that oil meets. As a point of reference, the SE spec dates from 1979, and SF from 1988, so 944S2's would originally have run on SF-spec oil - hence anything better than SF is an improvement on what they would have been designed for.

My point is that this is not the latest, greatest spec oil and that probably explains the (bargain!) price. Whether a semi-synth SN (latest spec) is better than a fully-synth SM (which is what this is) is a good question, and I don't know the answer!


Oli.

 

[Copperman05]

If your concerned amount levels of ZDDP in your oil then having the latest Sx rated oil isnt going to contain enough of it, levels of zDDP in oil have been reduced over recent years to meet emissions regs. Oil manufactures can use other boundary lubricants but whether they do and how effective they are is usually only known to them.

I'm sure this is a decent oil and I'm still not convinced if ZDDP is really required in our engines but Im sure it may concern some of you...


Edd

 

[geoff Ives]

Marvelous.
Being a Ducati owner, Petronas is well known to me. I have ordered 16 litres.
Thanks for the link.

 

[944 man]

Oli, ZDDP will be cut in the latest SAE standard, which is bad, and SAE standards are lacking anyway: hence the ACEA.

Its a shame that ECP dont stock the Petronas oil in the grade that Im looking for, or my garage would be full of it! Im tempted by Valvoline mineral, but Im sure that I heard someone say recently that it went badly out of grade on them, and I need it to stay gloopy when hot.


Simon

 

[Jonny944CS]

From my limited research, you need to look for oils with SL ratings (since 1998) to guarantee good levels of Zinc and Phosphate or ZDDP. The later SN and SM ratings use substitutes which reduce catalyst fouling.

There seems to be a lot of hullabaloo on American forums regading the holy grail of ZDDP and the worry that more modern oils offer less protection for engines with Direct Acting Tappets or Rockers. To me this seems a little odd as there are plenty new cars still rolling off productions lines with Direct Acting Valvetrains - A Porsche 991 for example.

Advanced coatings such as DLC, limited to Ferrari engines just a few years ago, are now becoming more cost-effective as the Automotive industry searches for more ways to reduce friction.

 

[geoff Ives]

My philosophy has always been use use an oil that is reasonable in both price and quality and change it OFTEN.

 

[PSH]

As a rule I tend to stick with one brand, Mobil 1, however I will need some cheap oil for running in so may try this out....I'll check around first to see if there's any bad info out there on this oil. Now I wonder how much cheaper I can get it for at trade price..

Pete

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: geoff ives
My philosophy has always been use use an oil that is reasonable in both price and quality and change it OFTEN.

Precisely my philosophy. A lesser-spec oil, changed frequently, is a much better bet than expensive oil left in for 10,000 miles or more.

(The link between price and quality is a different issue however! Having said that, the oil that is the subject of this thread does seem to be very good value for what it is.)


Oli.

 

[graham.webb]

Thanks Mas...just ordered some for topping up. No need to wonder who Petronas are...for a start they sponsor the Mercedes F1 team.....

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: PSH

As a rule I tend to stick with one brand, Mobil 1, however I will need some cheap oil for running in so may try this out....I'll check around first to see if there's any bad info out there on this oil. Now I wonder how much cheaper I can get it for at trade price..

Pete

Hello Pedro. If you look at Jon Mitchells post about M1 10W-60 on Tipec, youll be reassured to read that it has (from memory) about 1,300PPM of ZDDP which is as much as the old M1R15W-50 had.

It seems to have taken him a while to get an answer, even as a Mobil direct customer!


Simon

*edited to add: Id misread your post, but I will leave this information as it may still be of use/interest. Id advise against using synthetic oil for running in a new engine, though*

 

[cuffn]

oilspill30

Thanks for the heads up Mas, I've ordered a couple to use for topping up our daily drivers.

 

[PSH]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

*edited to add: Id misread your post, but I will leave this information as it may still be of use/interest. Id advise against using synthetic oil for running in a new engine, though*

Interesting that you say this Simon, can I ask what the thoughts are behind this, it seems my son is of the same mindset, I asked him last night to see how cheap he can get this Petronas oil for as he has a trade account with Eurocars, his reply was 'Forget it, your using mineral oil to run the engine in and nothing else', so consequently I have an interest in fellow members thoughts on this subject.

Pete

 

[Copperman05]

Pete,

As I understand it some true synthetics can glaze the bores during running in, but as with many things regarding oils there is also alot of myth and false statements out there.

Mobil say there oils are fine for breaking in engines and as you probably know its used as factory fill by many manufacturers including Porsche.

Redline (an ester synthetic oil manufacturer) on the other hand suggest a mineral oil for the first 1000 miles before using one of their engine oils.


Edd