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944Scott
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If you are thinking of replacing Scott then you may as well go TIAL or Lyndsey Dual Port. I can reccomend the TIAL. Go on you know you want to []
You are right I do want to, has anybody got a secondhand one for sale ?
It wasn't the only thing that went wrong this weekend, I couldn't get the door handle off to paint it, I found the the arb droplink that goes through the wishbone has broken on the drivers side oh and the bank rang me to tell me that some thieving git has my card details and has been trying to spend my cash, they didnt get very far thankfully as the car has already taken most of my money!
robwright
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Go for it mate. I make 15 psi out of mine without even breaking sweat!!! I wouldn't like to push any more than that on a 160k engine without any other mods widefire HG etc. 18 psi can be easily achieved. I would advise buying new if you are going to go for it. I imported mine from Vic Timpauer in the states off of www.pauertuning.com His product really is excellent and weighed in under £500 with chips and after being bummed for import tax I think. A shame it to fit it really as it looks so beautiful. Frenchy will back me up on this one. If you want to go that way you are not too far for me to help you out if you like.
I may have a standard used wastegate in good serviceable condition Scott, as I'm about to fit my new Tial very soon - You're right tho Rob, it is a crying shame to hide it under the car, I'd mount mine on the dash if I could get it to work there haha, piece of engineering art. Mine too came from Vic, his adapters are second to none !
Let me know if you're interested Scott and I can pull forward the installation of mine.
Cheers,
Mike
Let me know if you're interested Scott and I can pull forward the installation of mine.
Cheers,
Mike
Yes the TIAL is a well engineered bit of kit, again bought mine from PAUER tuning when in the states delivered to he hotel and brought back in my luggage with some other bits, how i never got pulled in Customs/X Ray is still a mystery ???
Too nice to stick underneath the car, the only issue i have is that it does not come with a support bracket which can lead to the wastegate outlet pipe cracking as it is supporting the weight, i will also have a spare wastegate available soon as i have a resprung one to go on to the 220.
Too nice to stick underneath the car, the only issue i have is that it does not come with a support bracket which can lead to the wastegate outlet pipe cracking as it is supporting the weight, i will also have a spare wastegate available soon as i have a resprung one to go on to the 220.
robwright
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Yes you are right about the bracket mate but I have never found it to be an issue. Indeed I have just had my whole system off to do the clutch and everything was rock solid and showed no signs of fatigue. With the crossover pipe as well it is all held in pretty snug. The point about the resprung original making 15 psi is a fair one and entirely correct. However the thing I like about the Tial is that it can evolve with your car should you wish to carry on with your quest for power.
Ewan
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Hi Scott,
JM Garage in Dorset has just taken delivery of a batch of dual port wastegates from the USA - one is going on my car this week and I've been waiting over a month for it. So if you are going to upgrade to dual port (and why wouldn't you?!), I suspect that your quickest option would be to contact them. My car is off to the rolling road after fitment so I shall report back on the reults later - but I'm not going too mad with Jons mods, we're aiming for about 320 bhp.
JM Garage in Dorset has just taken delivery of a batch of dual port wastegates from the USA - one is going on my car this week and I've been waiting over a month for it. So if you are going to upgrade to dual port (and why wouldn't you?!), I suspect that your quickest option would be to contact them. My car is off to the rolling road after fitment so I shall report back on the reults later - but I'm not going too mad with Jons mods, we're aiming for about 320 bhp.
Ewan
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Can't give an exact price just for the DPW as mine is being done as part of a list of works, but, as a guide, I am paying about £375 (ex.vat) for Jon to supply and fit his 9XX dual port wastegate (stage 2) and the boost controller.
In essence my car went in for a new head gasket and somehow I got carried away. I've ended up with a new 9XX performance cylinder head (with new valves/springs/guides etc), 9XX stage 2 wastegate with boost controller, 9XX stage 2 dump valve, Klaus Hoffman Racing stage 2 chip set and boost gauge fitted under the stereo (in the storage box from a 968). Also fitted new tyes all round and had a 4 wheel alignment. Along with a few other bits and bobs I'll probably be looking at a total spend of maybe £3K inc vat.
Which wouldn't be so bad if it hadn't been for the £4K inc vat that I spent on the darn thing 2 months ago, having a front end overhaul (new water pump, belts, seals, rollers, tensioners and so on) only to have the head gasket blow the following week. Admittedly that bill also included a very comprehensive service, new (968) castor mounts, new anti-roll bar bushes, re-built brake calipers, new pads, new handbrake cables, new power steering rack and so on, along with a new MOT certificate.
I bought the car in April, and so far have had it home for about 3 weeks in which time it's done less than 100 miles. The rest of the time it's been with Jon Mitchell and the spend so far is approaching £8K. But on the upside, much of what has been done shouldn't need doing again for a very long time, so costs into the future should be low. Famous last words!
In essence my car went in for a new head gasket and somehow I got carried away. I've ended up with a new 9XX performance cylinder head (with new valves/springs/guides etc), 9XX stage 2 wastegate with boost controller, 9XX stage 2 dump valve, Klaus Hoffman Racing stage 2 chip set and boost gauge fitted under the stereo (in the storage box from a 968). Also fitted new tyes all round and had a 4 wheel alignment. Along with a few other bits and bobs I'll probably be looking at a total spend of maybe £3K inc vat.
Which wouldn't be so bad if it hadn't been for the £4K inc vat that I spent on the darn thing 2 months ago, having a front end overhaul (new water pump, belts, seals, rollers, tensioners and so on) only to have the head gasket blow the following week. Admittedly that bill also included a very comprehensive service, new (968) castor mounts, new anti-roll bar bushes, re-built brake calipers, new pads, new handbrake cables, new power steering rack and so on, along with a new MOT certificate.
I bought the car in April, and so far have had it home for about 3 weeks in which time it's done less than 100 miles. The rest of the time it's been with Jon Mitchell and the spend so far is approaching £8K. But on the upside, much of what has been done shouldn't need doing again for a very long time, so costs into the future should be low. Famous last words!
simkin911
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I am not averse to spending loads of cash on my 944s but I'd nevertheless still baulk at an £8k expenditure within 16 weeks (and 100 miles) of purchasing the car. Please make me feel better by telling us you "at least got the car for free so it isn't so bad after all....." [
]That's true, and it's a point of view that people should certainly consider, but there's another way to look at it too. If everyone took the view that they should buy someone else's ready-done car, and no-one was ever prepared to put in the big money, then LIL and that SPS car would never have existed as we know them: they would just be two somewhat worn-out ordinary old cars.
Ewan: good for you, and you'll enjoy your car when you get it back. If it's any consolation, mine owes me a lot more than that and still has another two months to go in the body shop.
Ewan: good for you, and you'll enjoy your car when you get it back. If it's any consolation, mine owes me a lot more than that and still has another two months to go in the body shop.
Ewan
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In hindsight it may have been better to have chosen a different car in the first place. But that said, I'd still have spent a few thousand on any car to get it how I wanted it. And given that I intend to keep the car a good while, the costs will average out okay. Let's face it, all these need new brakes, water pumps, belts, tyres etc from time to time - I have simply chosen to do it all in one go, and tack on a few performance mods while I was at it.
And to put it into perspective, compared to certain other cars the running costs are actually quite low. I won't bore you with a list of my other cars, but I bought a Diablo a few years back that, at 6 years old, had done only 1000 miles. The owner that bought it new had never even driven it - those 1000 miles had been done by drivers taking it to and from Lambo GB for servicing. I paid him approximately £100k less than he had paid for it. So, in real terms, he had suffered £100k of depreciation, plus maybe £30k for storage, servicing and insurance, for zero miles driven!!! But it could be worse - I work in the marine industry and am occasionally involved in super-yachts, and I know of one that costs a million Pounds simply to fill with fuel. I kid you not.
To my mind a good, late model, low mileage 944 Turbo is always going to be worth the top money for the breed. And the true value is in what has been spent. So a car which has just had all the important jobs done will be worth more than one that hasn't. I'm happy enough to spend the money on it knowing that it's a perfectly reasonable investment - even though my 944 will have cost £8k in 4 months a new 911 would have lost me more money than that in the same time scale.
And to put it into perspective, compared to certain other cars the running costs are actually quite low. I won't bore you with a list of my other cars, but I bought a Diablo a few years back that, at 6 years old, had done only 1000 miles. The owner that bought it new had never even driven it - those 1000 miles had been done by drivers taking it to and from Lambo GB for servicing. I paid him approximately £100k less than he had paid for it. So, in real terms, he had suffered £100k of depreciation, plus maybe £30k for storage, servicing and insurance, for zero miles driven!!! But it could be worse - I work in the marine industry and am occasionally involved in super-yachts, and I know of one that costs a million Pounds simply to fill with fuel. I kid you not.
To my mind a good, late model, low mileage 944 Turbo is always going to be worth the top money for the breed. And the true value is in what has been spent. So a car which has just had all the important jobs done will be worth more than one that hasn't. I'm happy enough to spend the money on it knowing that it's a perfectly reasonable investment - even though my 944 will have cost £8k in 4 months a new 911 would have lost me more money than that in the same time scale.
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