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Due to visiting family I have postponed going, really wanted to this year as there are some things I wanted to get!and look into

 
'tis rather too crowded for my taste on public days and I'm no longer interested enough to go on a trade-only day and lose a day's holiday from the day-job.
 
Was there today,was fun,my eyes were popping out at some of the things they had on display!
 
Just got back, was a great day tbo, great being able to talk to manufacturers such as KW, Schroth, Powerflex and Millers Oils, etc. Seems I have dispelled one internet myth at least, that you must have a role cage before fitting a harness, seems in reality you are better off with a decent 4 point harness and a good bucket seat, over a 3 point seatbelt, roll cage or not.


Edd
 
I bought some valeting products from dodo juice,their wax is unbelievable and not crazy expensive,plus some detail spray (plus a few other bits)
 
I didn't buy anything (apart from lunch)! There didn't seem to be the bargains for kit that there has been in previous years, but then I'd bought a new race suit only a few weeks ago at GPR Silverstone and got 20% off. Did try a HANS on for the first time, though - but I need a new helmet before I can use one.

Took over 600 photos across two days working for the BRSCC, a driver in our series and for various websites. Happy to catch up with Mike on the PCGB stand.

Carrera Cup UK driver Daniel Lloyd:


Le Mans winners Emanuele Pirro and Derek Bell:


Our series showcased in the Live Action Arena:


PCGB Stand:


And some girls - no idea how they got in there...


Linky to the whole lot on Flickr.

Chris #88.
 
ORIGINAL: Copperman05
Seems I have dispelled one internet myth at least, that you must have a role cage before fitting a harness, seems in reality you are better off with a decent 4 point harness and a good bucket seat, over a 3 point seatbelt, roll cage or not.
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But you still need a harness bar, so if a half-cage is available and can be fitted, I guess that's still a better option.

Chris.
 
Don't want to sound like "dad" or"uncle" but you need a HANS device if you are racing,watch the videos on Youtube!
That last pic is great[:)]
 
I'm no racer, and I don't want a cage in what is mainly a road car that does a few track days. Schroth recommended a harness bar or mounting the harness at the rear seatbelt fixing points.


Edd
 

ORIGINAL: Copperman05

I'm no racer, and I don't want a cage in what is mainly a road car that does a few track days. Schroth recommended a harness bar or mounting the harness at the rear seatbelt fixing points.


Edd
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I was a at a lecture in late November given by Professor Adrian Hobbs, former head of the Road Research Laboratory and latterly head of Euro NCAP. In the question and answer session following his talk he was asked specifically about the use of 4 point harnesses in road cars. Apparently the evidence suggests that whilst they perform very well in race / track situations where the driver is buckled in very tightly, in normal road situations where they are often less tightly fastened, they are outperformed by conventional inertia reel three point seatbelts.
 
Yes your right, I am aware of this, the 4 point harness (all Schroth versions have ASM anti-submarine tech) would be fitted whilst still keeping the 3 point seat belt for use on road.



Edd
 
Sometimes it isnt best to be rigidly held in place. If you dont have something to keep the roof up then you want to be able to go with the flow, as opposed to being lashed against your seat...

Youve already got excellent seats Edd, so virtually all of the not-crashing benefit is lost on you.
 
This certainly isnt an internet myth btw, irrespective of whether people repeat it having read it on a forum.
 
ORIGINAL: 944 man

Sometimes it isnt best to be rigidly held in place. If you dont have something to keep the roof up then you want to be able to go with the flow, as opposed to being lashed against your seat...

Youve already got excellent seats Edd, so virtually all of the not-crashing benefit is lost on you.
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I understand the theory but this assumes only one type of impact occures, Schroth (who's opinion I will tend to trust on such matters) said that in their tests those fitted with harnesses fared better than those fitted without (3 point seateblt), cage or no cage. That is their findings, through tests and research not assumption and theory. They said that most injuries during crashes on track are caused by the person going out through the drivers window (which a 3 point seat belt will push you towards on impact), hitting ones head on the roof once the car has turned on its roof (not crushing, but falling out of the seat with 3 point belts), and impacts from the side, pushing the person out of the 3 point belt (they are designed for front impacts and are pretty useless for side impacts). A proper harness in these situations is much safer.

I suppose there might be a chance if your unlucky whereby the roof collapses enough and your head is crushed or neck compressed , BUT you really think that in such a crash a 3 point seat belt is really going to be any better? If you roll and the forces are that severe you are fu*ked, harness or 3 point belt. The answer is to fit a cage not wear a three point seat belt...


Edd
 

ORIGINAL: Copperman05

Yes your right, I am aware of this, the 4 point harness (all Schroth versions have ASM anti-submarine tech) would be fitted whilst still keeping the 3 point seat belt for use on road.



Edd
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Sounds like the best of both worlds then, nice one.
 
I decided a few years back now that if one is really that worried about crashing on a track day then its a waste of time debating how safe all the interim/in-between solutions are. I see it very simply, either drive a road car well within the limits or use a well prepared race car and driver safety setup.
 
ORIGINAL: MarkK
Don't want to sound like "dad" or"uncle" but you need a HANS device if you are racing,watch the videos on Youtube!
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You're quite right, Mark - I really should get one.

ORIGINAL: MarkK
That last pic is great[:)]
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You naughty man!

Chris.
 
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