Another Silver Rose for sale

George Elliott · Sep 5, 2013

All this talk of standard spec is confusing when I dont think any of us has a turbo thats not modified.

This particular SR is a far better car than when it left the factory and has had significant expenditure lavished on it.

I really like 944 Turbo's but no-way would I drive a standard one.

Collectors - Investors : I dont think they appreciate cars for their driving qualities hence they don't appreciate the mods that improve them. Values are based on what another one sold for. The final value is down to supply & demand, and whatever about demand, the supply is dropping.

An SR is the latest model year "turbo Cup" version of the 944t with important spec incl diff, brakes, forged rims and no-sunroof etc....a very nice unusual model with a story.

George
944t

pauljmcnulty · Sep 5, 2013

All this talk of standard spec is confusing when I dont think any of us has a turbo thats not modified.

Hi George,

You'd be surprised, but there are a significant number of cars that are totally original. Concourse is still a flourishing scene, and you'll nearly always see factory-fresh 944s at the national events.

Different people, different things they want from the cars. [

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Richardbernau · Sep 6, 2013

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

All this talk of standard spec is confusing when I dont think any of us has a turbo thats not modified.

This particular SR is a far better car than when it left the factory and has had significant expenditure lavished on it.

I really like 944 Turbo's but no-way would I drive a standard one.

Collectors - Investors : I dont think they appreciate cars for their driving qualities hence they don't appreciate the mods that improve them. Values are based on what another one sold for. The final value is down to supply & demand, and whatever about demand, the supply is dropping.

An SR is the latest model year "turbo Cup" version of the 944t with important spec incl diff, brakes, forged rims and no-sunroof etc....a very nice unusual model with a story.

George
944t

I am on the same page as you. 5th gear at 3000rpm and there is almost zero lag and just a twitch of the toes sees you doing 120mph. Try that in a standard car. I really enjoyed driving the car home last night. With new MO30 torsion bas and a fresh alignment, it feels great.

MartinRS2K · Sep 6, 2013

ORIGINAL: Richardbernau

I may be arguing against myself here , but I don't think the SR cars will ever be true collector cars. In my mind they they are pretty much the best of the 944Ts to drive (right combo of options, no sunroof and LW wheels) and the rarity should just give them a small price premium over an "ordinary" car. I kind of think, if you were going to get a turbo, why wouldn't you try to find a SR so you have something a little bit special and that possibility of a small amount of appreciation or at least value preservation (unless you can't live with the interior). There is not enough that is different about them to make them a real collectors car IMHO, but its still nice to know you have something a little bit rare and other Porsche people do notice it and appreciate it.

Anyhow, I admit to completely not getting the collector mentality, so what do I know. If a buyer cannot see how easy it would be to turn my car back to original, then they are frankly a tiny bit dim. At the price I am asking now, you could just hand it to your local indie and it would be done in a week or so:

- change indicators and steering wheel (included with car)
- stick on side trims
- hide EBC in glovebox
- fit OE airbox
- repaint wheels

Granted the air con is a bigger job, but its been removed from the bulkhead forwards, so its not that hard. I am hoping to have a full air con system available for sale with the car, but that hasn't happened quite yet.

Thanks for the positive comments in any event - someone just needs to buy the car now...

I have to disagree, the SR will be a collectors car (maybe not an extremely valuable one but still a collectors car)

I hope the 'tiny bit dim' wasn't aimed in any specific direction?

If you want your car to sell (I presume you do otherwise you wouldn't be on this thread promoting it) then my best suggestion is for you to take it back to standard and get the air conditioning re-fitted and working so that whoever comes to view the car will see it working 100% and ready to be used. Engine modifications wouldn't bother me as a Promax Stage One or Two is a personal choice and is not highly noticeable when you look at the car but a car that has no working air con is a big turn off for me and possibly many others (but that is my opinion and like me you are welcome to your views) [

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As for repainting the wheels, I have seen a couple of sets of CS alloys that have been refurbished and if they are not done with great care and an absolute minimum of the of existing metal removed they will be destroyed and only fit for the scrap bin due to their composition.

edh · Sep 6, 2013

I know what you mean about the wheels Martin - I have seen a cracked spoke on a rear before. Isn't the main problem reproducing the original anodized finish - not sure many paces can do this & it's very expensive?

TTM · Sep 6, 2013

The companies I talked to regarding reanodising wheels said it's a complicated and expensive process and even when they had the resource to have it done they said they could not guarantee the results which seem to depend on the initial condition of the wheels, and would always recommend having the wheels painted instead.

Eldavo · Sep 6, 2013

My CS alloys were in pretty good physical condition but the anodising wasn't great at all.

Knowing how they can crack when ground down and returned I had them fully checked over and then powder coated. The specialist I used actually powder coated them twice, the first time was in grey and allowed them to sand it all back to a perfect finish without removing any original metal and then they did the gloss black over the top.

Not original but I'm very happy

Frenchy · Sep 6, 2013

Machining the CS wheels a couple of times removes too much metal, makes them weak and dangerous !

If i had the money spare i would certainly take a look at the sellers car as i would love a Silverose, my option would be standard to look at but with the engine capability unleashed [

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It would live along side my 88 Turbo S (Black) and my 220 turbo, which is a different car to drive (and love) used to hate the burgundy studio "plaid" interior but it has grown on me.

Good luck with the sale surprised it has not sold.

Richardbernau · Sep 9, 2013

ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K

I hope the 'tiny bit dim' wasn't aimed in any specific direction?

No, it wasn't. I was just trying to make the point that getting back to std is not so hard - which is a point you have also made. No harm intended and sorry if it seemed to be intended

I blame the internet for being bad at conveying emotion!

I refitted the std indicators and steering wheel etc over the weekend as well as giving her a clay, polish and wax. It rained before I took pictures.....

Still looking for a working air con system. I think its unrealistic though to expect sellers at this price to prep their car for the exact needs of one type of buyer. If I kept the car, I wouldn't put air con back in - it adds no value for me, just weight, expense and complication. I have never had any Porsche with air con and never missed it in 22 years of ownership in NZ and the UK. Of course, I want to make it easy for someone to retrofit it if they choose to do so, hence looking for the parts. As I have said before, I had an estimate of 6 hours labour, so even if that is wildly optimistic and its 10 hours, thats still only £750 at indie rates if someone wants to do it. If air con is really important, then they should go to SVP and get Dom to sort out a proper system that will run rings around the original 25 year old kit. But thats another topic really.