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Another Silver Rose for sale

Good find Paul, good spec and history, price not bad considering the work carried out, still think colour/trim combo holds them back.

Cheers, Paul
 
The trim / colour combo isn't to my taste, but I can see how rarity would make them (potentially) something of a collectors item. Were I looking for a Silver Rose as a "collectors item", though, I'd want a standard car which was as Porsche made it, not one with the modifications that car has (no matter how desirable they might be on a normal 944 Turbo).
 
Looks a good car with plenty of history and spares included [:)]

agree with Glenn in that I would want a standard Silver Rose ideally, but there is no reason why it can't be taken back to a standard set up and the extra bits sold on
 
Looks a lot better bet than some of the other cars we've seen up for sale lately, even if it is (personal view) a funny colour / trim!
 

ORIGINAL: GlennS

The trim / colour combo isn't to my taste, but I can see how rarity would make them (potentially) something of a collectors item. Were I looking for a Silver Rose as a "collectors item", though, I'd want a standard car which was as Porsche made it, not one with the modifications that car has (no matter how desirable they might be on a normal 944 Turbo).

Standard spec for me too, if I could find one.

It seems to me that many of the Silver Roses we see have been modified in some way; some gutted for the track, others with bits similar to this one. I wonder why this particular model seems to be so frequently modified or run into the ground.
 

ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K

... there is no reason why it can't be taken back to a standard set up and the extra bits sold on

Indeed there isn't, but the cost of returning the car to standard spec. (including a figure for "labour") would be reflected in the price I'd be prepared to pay for a modified one. It's an interesting thought that options which would be considered "desirable" on a "normal" 944 Turbo might actually detract value from a "collectors" car.
 
Possibly a lot of them became track cars and racers because back when these were 'just second-hand cars' potential buyers wanting an expensive daily driver preferred the 'standard' 250 Turbo which offered basically all the same important bits mechanically along with a sunroof and a choice of (rather more mainstream) colour / trim combos). The no-sunroof spec was another advantage for a track car As a car with no sunroof the Silver Rose had a better shell for a racer.

As for the modest mechanical improvements to this: frankly it's the spec all Turbos should have come from the factory with, and makes the car far nicer to drive with no real penalties. It's only very recently that anyone's started to think of these as collectors' pieces rather than as car for enjoying on the road. In any case, it shouldn't devalue the car as it's all easily reversible if anyone wants to put the car back to standard.
 
Another turbo beginning with a 12....
Super nice late cars will regularly hit 15k plus soon[8D]
 
Could soon be put back to standard, needs the white indicators replaced and the side trims fitted (rubbing strips) can be made to look standard even when tooned up !

Hope he gets the asking price.

I love the colour and the trim of the Silverose , never used to it seems to have grown on me.
 
Why would you want to put this car back to standard? Standard cars are laggy and unresponsive and feel downright slow compared to those with minor and sensible upgrades like this one.

944 Turbos are drivers cars that beg to be driven, not collected and cossetted away. That's what the slower rear engined cars are for
 
Chips or specific tuning packages well installed by known and respected UK names should have no ill effect value wise on a good well presented examples' asking price,I think in the very near future there will be a real second wave of enthusiasts for these cars even as they age further and climb in price from where they are now ( they will still be excellent value),a proven tuned car will save the purchaser from doing it themselves ... the vast majority of turbo owners end up exploring this route anyway,they attract that kind of person...
KWV3 for example is another period deviation from factory standard spec,non standard but a known and proven route for very nessacery suspension replacement as these cars age, yet high quality with improved technology.
A 911 that has visited Tuthills in Oxfordshire if deviated from standard spec has a cache and provenance,a Promax 944 turbo will be viewed in a similar way.Standard cars have their market of course,but I stand by the above.
 
I'm amazed by the price, but would be really happy to see it sell for close to that, if that is the real market value then surely there would be a trickle down effect on the NA models too.

Hopefully someone more diligent than I will watch the progress of this sale?
 
Bob
"can be made to look standard even when tooned up !" a tuned car under the bonnet can look very standard and not deviate from the value if a prospective buyer was looking for "standard" in my opinion it does not suit the clear indicators, certain colours do but not Silverose, it also in my opinion again looks "unfinished" with the door mouldings missing, each to their own.

If i was to purchase the car this is want i would want to do to get it to my particular taste, i would loose the cone filter (useless anyway) under the bonnet for the "factory" look and leave everything else alone.

I am well versed as regards tuning out lag and adding power when it comes to 944 Turbo's.

 
Mark's exactly right. Sympathetic improvements from well-know sources will not affect a car's value downwards unless it's a pure, concourse, original.

There is a very small market for the "museum" cars, where collectors will pay almost anything. You can't ever replace or recreate a mint, original, low-mileage rare Porsche, and IMO these include cars such as the RHD turbo cab, the Silver Rose in it's full tartan splendour, or the few cup cars remaining.

We're going to see the emergence of a "restored" class of car now that they are all coming to the point where you have to be looking at both major new parts, and attention to the bodywork. Where these cars find a value, and where originality becomes less relevant and alternative "improvements" become more sought-after than original, I'm not sure I know yet?

I still have a sneaking suspicion that the truly original, unmolested cars will continue to rise out of proportion? The one thing you can never replace is the mileage, and that's an obsession with collectors of expensive older cars. A real shame, as the whole point of owning them is to use them!

So where does the lightly-modded turbo, with things like KW, fit in? Logic would say that you can buy a more modern car that will out-perform the 944 in every area for £15K, so why buy, or build, a £15K 944? To me, it seems that there is a type of buyer who fits a certain profile. The guy who had a Countach on his bedroom wall, next to Sam Fox? The alternatives are the other affordable classics from the same period, but in all honesty would you really rather run a 944 or, say, a Quattro or a Cossie? A GTV6? A Delorean? [&:]

 
Hi Guys - it's my silver rose for sale on pistonheads. You could very easily take this one back to standard (or very close to std) as its running a standard turbo. With the EBC in low boost its drives very much like standard already. I have the orange indicators (front and side IIRC) and a std wastegate and intercooler (only the end tank shape changes on the stage 2 intercooler), so all you need to find are the side rubbing strips and a std air filter. However, it looks better the way it is and once you drive it with a little more hp and tq, you would never go back to standard. On a nice flowing road it's genuinely fast. Wayne's tuning is very much like std tune with just a little more boost. He aims to fill in the tq hole before boost arrives and hold the tq to higher revs. It's night and day compared to the hopeless Lindsey Racing chips that came from Promax.

BTW, more than happy to answer any questions. I hang out on impactbumpers.com but will check in here from time to time.
 
Best of luck with your Sale,hope she finds a good owner and you get the price you are happy with.I have had a lot of good results with pistonheads incase you want to try another route.There is a thread running about rising 944 prices so it might be a good place to get better money!
The tuning done by Wayne is Superb,he has done two of my cars with fab results,but i would disagree with your statement about Promax off the peg products slightly,they are not LR chips,and i think they are a good off the peg soloution if matched to the right components,i ran their standard chips in my Turbo S race car with good results and good reliability.A custom map done for a specific car will always be better but not fair to compare with a off the peg product.Comparing apples with pears etc.
Again best of luck with your sale.[:)]
 
Hi Mark - it is up on Pistonheads. Thanks for your thoughts.

To be fair to Promax, it was Lindsey chips not Promax chips that were in the car when I bought it. Wayne found 30hp and the driving experience was so much better - faster everywhere and easier to modulate boost onset with the throttle. Also about 20% better fuel economy as it was pig rich.
 
I have my Silver Rose up for sale again now that I have finished travelling for work. Price reduction as well! And its being serviced today at JAZ Porsche so should be all good for the next owner.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/944/porsche-944-turbo-1988/1408506
 

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