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LawrenceR

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Just joined this forum so I thought it only polite to introduce myself and more importantly my Porsche!

I'm sure by my username you have already guessed my name....so I'm Lawrence and I hail from Kent. Recently purchased a 944 2.5 Lux after years and years of hankering after a Porsche. I was close to buying a 914 last year, and I still would like to own one, one day, but the body work on the 914 was not as good as I expected and it had a few other little issues that made me remain firm at my offer, which got declined. This has lead me to my rather impromptu joint purchase of said 944. I purchased the car with a very good friend of mine Rob. We buy a lot of our cars together as we can buy better and split the costs of running and owning and share the fun!

Some of you may already know the car as it has changed hands a lot since it rolled off the production line in '83 and I believe someone from one of the forums went to look at the car and posted a description of the things wrong with it....this I found after buying...! One of the owners previously was a member of the Club and also the 944 register. If I'm right in thinking, this owner went on to trade it for an S2 Cab.

I will admit, I think Rob and I may have had a heart over head moment on this car, but neither have done this for a while, so its no surprise that it was going to happen sooner or later! We knew of a few problems with the car but because of what we had in mind for the car, these things didn't bother us. We have both wanted to get on the track for a long time, starting off doing track days and moving onto hopefully competing in a championship. The 2.5 we thought being a good car to learn our craft in and have enough power to have some fun, but not too much that we smash up on our first lap! The 944 being a very well balanced car with great handling characteristics being another reason as to going down this route....as well as both being long standing Porsche Fanatics moving up from owning and still owning many VW's.

So the problems...the ones that we knew about first, there is a problem with the engine. We were told however that it is a common and well known problem and an easy fix...

From what we have been told, the balance belt has been fitted incorrectly, maybe a few teeth out and this causes the car to idle rough and at about 2900rpm, the car really shudders and almost feels like it is surging.

The belt is also too tight as it has a slight squeal/whine when the engine is running. I have identified this from a you tube video of someone filming a belt that is too tight and then going on to show the belt correctly adjusted and the noise no longer there. The noise in the video of the belt being too tight is the exact same as mine.

There is a vibration at 60mph..I was told this was due to out of shape tyres as the car has been sat for a while however after tonight's drive, I think there is something else causing the vibration.

The clutch needs bleeding? The pedal does not seem to sit correctly in its position and after a while you have to flick the pedal back up with your foot.

We were told that the seat needed re-bolting in and tightening...however upon further inspection (something that should have been done maybe when we went to view the car!) the floor has sustained 'damage' and the seat mounting points no longer exist and the seats are very wobbly and loosely bolted in. The only thing that I look like I can do here, is cut the floor from a scrapper 944 and weld it into place of my damaged floor. Going to go trawl the local car breakers on Monday.

So these are the 'major' issues, there are a few niggling things like the washers not working, the oil pressure gauge resembling a rev counter, the flasher not working, the wipers not returning to there off position, the windows being slow, the passenger door lock being stiff, the rear hatch and bonnet not staying open without the use of a spare hand or a broom, the seatbelt squeaking, it running very cheap tyres....I don't think the car has been loved or looked after very well with its last few owners so these are all things that I can fix overtime.

This evenings little blast has revealed a couple more problems that will have to get investigated sooner rather than later. The O/S front wheel has excessive play, possibly a bearing and the rear O/S, sits about 22mm lower than the N/S rear...maybe a collapsed shock.

On a positive note, the bodywork is in fairly good condition; there is the standard rust on the rear quarters and a little on the front wing and being Guards Red the paint is tired. I have polished it as best as I can and again this is not a major issue as the car will eventually be a track car anyway... The plan is to get it rolling roaded as it is now, then have it serviced and the belt sorted and the clutch sorted (We were thinking of going to Project 9 Engineering if anyone can offer testimonials or warnings!) get the car running perfect, I am hoping to get the floor repaired this next week and then the interior will be stripped, a roll cage welded in, buckets and harnesses fitted, suspension sorted, tyres changed and then hit the track...whilst trying to keep the budget fairly tight as it is our first track car. Any advice/encouragement, "˜been there done that', do this/don't do that etc etc is very much welcome!

So I have talked far too much and all everyone has come to see are photos, so here they are! Some I took messing around near my unit earlier:


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looks very nice in the pics. Cool roof, never seen that before. Did it come with an MOT, with all those problems (sorry I can't offer any guidance on tech side of things)?
 
Hi Lawrence and welcome, I do like the pics, the background sets the mood quite well. Never seen a black wrapped roof on a 944 before and I have to admit it works very well with the line of the tailgate.

You do seem to have lots of little problems and a couple of potentialy major ones, dare I ask if it has a current MOT (and how on earth did it get one with the seat mounts rusted away [:eek:] )

I'm looking forward to seeing how your project progresses [:)]
 
Hi Lawerence and welcome

Looks good in the photo's there and loving the look of the roof, good luck with project and I am sure the pennies you will have to spend will be worth it, you will have fun no doubt and the girls do put a smile on your face.

If she has been sat for a while I would not drive the car anymore before getting those belts changed as the problems you have at present will pale into insignificance!!

Wonder when someone else turns up with a black roof as it really suits the car

 
Hello, where about in Kent are you based?

I'm in Herne bay.

I would check the inside off the sills, open the door and remove the vent, put a mobile phone in and take some pics. I would do it b4 u start with any major repires. Car looks clean from the outside, but with a list off problems like that, I wouldn't be surprised 2 find the cosmetic rust fixed and the rust left inside 2 spread. But could be one off the jack points have split and water/ rust has got in 2 the floor pan from there.

Other thing is your battery is in the front under bonnet, ? These are know 2 rust out cause a leak in the footwell.

Clutch pedal

Dose it make a popping noise? Is they any play with it by hand? Could be adjuseted wrong or could be the master or the slave going.

Terry
 
Hi Lawrence

Welcome to the forum and Porsche ownership, despite the problems you've already found I have to say she certainly looks a pretty car from the outside and therefore worth the time and expense needed to get her back in shape. Most of the things that you have found needing attention so far should be fairly easy to put right, however the rear ride height is what would cause me most concern and is very easily seen in your rear view picture. I don't think this is down to a collapsed shock as that wouldn't effect the ride height only the dampening of the suspension. I'd take a close look at the torsion bar and also it's mounting position points on the chassis just to be safe. I'd also say not to drive her until you find out what is causing the difference in ride height as the car certainly won't be handling well like that. I guess what I'm saying is make this your first job to investigate and then go from there.
Good luck with your new car, you'll find all the help you may need on this forum and as mentioned she looks very nice..:)

Pete
 
Thanks for all your kind words, I do think the black roof makes the car and is what probably led us into buying it. The roof is not wrapped though it is painted, apparently after suffering a head gasket failure, the car was sat for some time, under a tree, and the sap and wet leaves ruined the paint. A mechanic then purchased the car, repaired the head gasket, replacing the cambelt and balance belt at the same time (although there are no receipts for this) and painted the roof. The black and red theme will continue throughout the rest of the build, the mirrors will be taken off and painted satin black, the wheels are going to be powder coated black and fitted with new rubber and we may also paint the bonnet black, however the Jury is still out on this as to if it will be too much!

I should have elaborated on the 'damage' on the driver's side floor...it is not rust that has caused the problems. I can only assume that the seat was a little stubborn in coming out so one of the previous owners bolster chiselled the seat out, cracking and tearing the floor in the mean time! I wonder if this was the same mechanic that repaired the head gasket and over tightened the balance belt...! Here is a photo from underneath:

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T3rra: I'm in Hawkinge, near Folkestone. If you are ever about this way, it would be good to compare the two cars so I know what is exactly wrong or right with mine! The battery tray is under the bonnet and in fair condition, but will need some attention and the passenger footwell does get wet, I just checked and may have had a repair in the past? I have attached a photo which someone may be able to clarify?


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As you can see the engine bay does look fairly clean, again another plus point when we purchased it. Excuse the aftermarket 'broom prop'!

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I also took some photos of the sills from inside the door jams. They look fairly good from what can be seen in these photos, but I will get a smaller camera in there tomorrow when I jack it up and check the suspension at the back like PSH and a few others suggested. This is the N/S:

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And the O/S

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This is the worst of the bubbling/ surface rust that we knew about:

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All in all I think the car is fairly solid and hopefully you shall mostly agree that it is a good basis for us to continue our track day plans with? Anything that you spot or see and go 'Eekk'...please feel free to say or advise. I am pleased to see that there is the paper tag in the boot of the car detailing paint code and extras meaning that it does not look like it has had any rear remedial work! (Something I read on a buying a 944 guide I read last night...shutting the gate after the horse has bolted??!!)

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The car has MOT up until September; I think maybe the seat problems were not apparent when it went for its MOT. The car initially failed on:
Upper Steering Column Universal joint locking device insecure
Front windscreen washer provides insufficient washer liquid (!!)
Registration plate lamp
O/S Headlamp aim too low
Front Brakes Imbalanced
It had advisories of:
Lower steering column universal joint has slight play
Rear brake pads wearing thin
Parking brake only just sufficient
These of course remained as advisories when it passed the MOT the next day.

The history I have with the car are most of the MOT's from 1998 and various receipts, no FSH here, but we understood the risks when buying. In 2011 it had the clutch and clutch assembly and clutch master cylinder renewed and it received an exchange alternator in the same year. The clutch was carried out by a "˜Porsche and Mercedes Specialist' so not sure why there seems to be a problem with it. It tends to sit in a lot lower position than the brake and accelerator pedal. If you put your foot under it and flick it back up, it makes a loud, springing sound (if that makes sense?!) but the minute you depress the clutch it returns to its previous position.

Other notable receipts show in 2007 it had the Porsche Control Unit, tested and repaired (!) In 2001 the cambelt and balance belt were replaced and way back in 1996, the radiator had a new core fitted.
The major problems are the only ones that concern me, all the little ones will be rectified in the transformation into the race car. The squeaky seatbelts will be replaced by harnesses, the bonnet struts will be junked and the bonnet made fully removable with Bonnet pins and the slow electric windows will be junked to save weight. The flasher and window washers again will not be a problem because they will be rarely used.

Anyway, again I have rambled on, thanks for all your advice and comments, I will get underneath it tomorrow and have a look at the rear suspension and let you all know.
 
Nice looking car, in the fastest colour of course.. [:D]

I would say your sills look pretty good, compared to mine and most others I've seen on here. Probably a good idea to nip it in the bud on that one side, before it eats all the way thorough!
 
Option code 666 must mean rust on 944's in UK. I keep wonder how 944s can be that rusty. I like black roof on red car idea. Have never seen one before.
 
Yeah, but my car will be the later oval dash modle. And turbo so will seem quite differnt.

The pics off the sills need 2 be taken so u can see along the sill under the length off the door. I wouldn't say them sills look healthy not even 4 the rear 1/4 as shown. I'm not been the bring off bad news. Iv Owned and wasted a lot off money on a roten 944S which from the out side was very clean and rust free. It wasn't untill I took a picture from inside the sill that I relised there was an issue. This was after a full respary after owning the car 4 nearly a year putting 12 000 miles on it.

At 1st I thought I would replace the sills, I mean they all need doing evently right? But then the jack point went on one side, and I noticed it had split on the other as well. I aways avoided using the jack points after setting the car up on gaz gold coil overs it was quite a task 2 get even a low entry jack in 2 the front susspeion.

Anyway I put about 250000 miles on that car in the end, had the front engine resealed, top end re built, new head gastic cam chain tenssor, belts rollers water pump. Rack and pump wishbones castor mount and polybushes.

It was a lovely looking car and drove really well. But I didn't no where the rot would end.

I got a 250 m030 turbo now. And I'm braking the 944S 16v

I don't no what u payed or how much off the work you can do yourselfs but I would see just how bad the sills are b4 you start.

The engine bays always seem tidy on these due 2 the undertray. Iv worked on friends cars that are under ten years old and r filthy
 
Building a car is very nice to do, but I don't like fix rust problems [:mad:]

Luckily son's project is totally rust free. After a proper wash, some new Diamond Blue was applied

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Looks like they put a LOT of salt on UK roads during winter.
 
Hi Lawrence! Yep, I'm the guy that PXd your car for an S2 cab. Nice to see her on PCGB again! intrigued to see what she'll turn into. She's traded hands I think 4 times since I sold her in February by the sound of it! I spoke to Rob via TIPEC and Retro Rides (but it's only this forum I read regularly!) - I think he knows the provenance of the black roof which happened since my ownership. Wasn't sure before, but it's grown on me with your photos!

There were endless minor niggles - believe it or not there were much more when I bought her! Slowly addressed what I could over time, but despite them she was a completely reliable commuter and family car for me for a year.

Re: the seats, the captive bolt on the runners was ruined when I got her. She had some horrible loose Recaros which probably did the damage when I bought her, but I found some original pinstripes through Eliott on here and it seemed to fit well enough temporarily to drive and get through an MOT.

I had the clutch replaced by Porsche specialists Keylink SAS just a few weeks before I sold her (£1500!). There was very limited clutch travel which I was assured was normal and would increase with use, and I shouldn't be flicking the pedal up. But I am also inclined to agree with you and Rob that something needs bleeding!

Enjoy and good luck! Feel free to contact me if there's any other info I can help fill in on.
 
Hi All and apologies for my delay in replying, been a busy month! I have done some more work to the car and I shall update on this shortly.

Telster good to hear from you. It may well have been a different Rob that you have had previous conversations with, it's not the Rob that I have purchased the car from. I'm glad that you enjoyed her and are looking forward to the build thread of her...I hope that we do not upset you in her transformation; there has already been a drastic transformation! I have had a quote to get the clutch bled and a few other items sorted so hopefully she'll be running a lot better in the next few weeks. Thank you for sorting out the minor niggles before me, the little niggles that I have found do not worry me so much as these are mainly with things that will be changed into her transformation into a race car. For example, the boot lid struts now work as I have junked the rear window wiper, problem solved!

OS951, wow! Looks super clean, ours will not ever get to this state in our hands! In fact I imagine it will end up dirtier with a few extra dents and battle scars! Also you joked about option M666...well in fact option M666 was: WITHOUT LAQUER PRESERVATION AND CHROME PRESERVATION!!!! So not far off!

T3rra, I still have not checked the sills properly! I will get in there tomorrow with a smaller camera and see what I can see.

Ex Skyline...I looked for your post...apologies; it would seem you got shot down for suggesting such a thing!! You should have just gone with your instinct, stuck two fingers up and gone for it! We have a few different ideas for our black roof...I'm not sharing them though, because in my head they look cool and do not want anyone putting doubt in my mind! We talked of making the bonnet black too, matching the roof, but some playing on Photoshop has made us change our mind on that, it does not look so good!

Ok...so to recent developments...the photos are going to do most of the talking but I feel I must warn you first, if you are of a nervous disposition, pregnant, suffer heart problems or more likely a diehard enthusiast, look do not scroll down!

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So that's what she looks like now and here are some before photos...

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So as you can see, I have stripped the car completely! The dash is just a quick fix, the gauge pod looks cool where it is, I think (!), but the self tapping screws will not last too long! The rest of the dash will be removed and a full cage with a dash bar will be fitted and the needed gauges will be mounted to this. It was surprising that without including the seats, we made a saving of 68kg with the removal of door cards, carpets, sound deadening, head lining! We still have electric windows and headlight assembly to remove too, saving more weight!
Here you can see the damage to the seat mountings; these have now been welded up and the driver's seat fitted back into place. I do not have any photos of the remedial work at the mo, I will get some tomorrow, it is not pretty but it does the job and again eventually the seats will be mounted on seat bars from the cage.

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We have also removed the heater and the heater matrix although this has currently caused a problem! I will await the screams of "˜what have you done?!' We removed all pipe work for the heater and have ran a pipe directly from where the inlet to the heater matrix went, to the point the heater matrix outlet led too. We are now suffereing over heating problems and a loss of water, I think there may be an airlock in the system and I need to clear this. Does anyone have any ideas of how to do this, now that we have removed the heater? Any advice would be much appreciated!

I will hopefully have some further updates tomorrow.
 
Hi Lawrence

Regarding bleeding, first make sure the car is on level ground, on top of the cylinder head at the front right hand side as you look at it from the front, you'll see a short reducer water hose fitted to an alloy elbow. On this elbow you'll find the small bleed screw, bleed as normal ie, unscrew with engine running and let air escape until free and then re-tighten screw. The 944 has a great cooling system but it's not the easiest to get the air out.

Good luck

Pete
 
Why have you butchered the dash and removed the heater? The dash weighs virtually nothing so cutting it out saves virtually nothing and any weight saving from removing the heater and blower will be lost 1000x over in anything but the clearest of days. Youve also lost the extra coolant capacity and reserve cooling capacity too.

Rather than simply throwing the trim away, Id take care of it, as it isnt without worth. Id re-fit the rear quarter trims and the rear squab too, as the very small weight penalty is worth paying for the sounded deadening that they provide.

I wouldnt entertain driving a car without door cards of some description either, as the bare doors will shred you in the even of any sort of crash. GRP doors from Pro-9 (very cheap), along with their wings (not so cheap now) and bonnet (not bad at under £150) will make far more of a difference, as will polycarbonate windows if you do the hatch too.

Its the suspension thatll really sting, though...



Simon
 

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