A new monster

[Ewan]

Visiting JMG today I saw a 3.2 lt engine going into another turbo. The car was already tweaked to 380 bhp on the 2.5 lt, but the owner fancied a bit more. So, if anyone sees a Baltic blue turbo bearing down on them, reg A1 OBC, stand by to be overtaken! It looked near to completion and I for one will be interested to see the rolling road results. Must be over 450 bhp, and heaps of low down torque for instant get-away (after the wheel spin has been controlled). Looks like the lucky owner is in for some fun.

 

[George Elliott]

Baltic 3.2's are getting common[][]

Is there any footage of a full house 3.2 showing what that capacity is capable of delivering?

Good to hear they are still being built, any idea how many now Ewan? any 16v?

George
944t

 

[Ewan]

As far as I am aware, only 4 have been built. This engine has come out of Pauls car "LIL". Jon of JMG still has the shell of that car, but I don't know weather another engine will go in it, or whether it is just for parts. So, there is still actually only one Baltic Blue 3.2. (Paul may well know more about this topic than me).

 

[DavidL]

So when are you collecting it then Ewan []

 

[944Scott]

So is Baltic Blue the fastest colur then []

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: 944Scott

So is Baltic Blue the fastest colur then []

Oh definitely!

But Baltic Blue S2's eat Baltic Blue 3.2 turbo/super/mega/whatever-charged things for breakfast - if you see a race between my Baltic Blue S2 and this newly-created Baltic Blue JMG thing then my car will be the one in front! []


Oli.

 

[zcacogp]

Serious point - Paul Smith's "LIL" has been dismantled then? I didn't know that. Why take the engine out of one shell and put it in another shell? I'd guess that there were nicer bits (brakes/suspension etc) on the other shell, but then LIL was pretty well kitted out, as I recall.


Oli.

 

[GPF]

ORIGINAL: Ewan
This engine has come out of Pauls car "LIL". Jon of JMG still has the shell of that car, but I don't know weather another engine will go in it, or whether it is just for parts.

WHAT????![:-]

Paul, say it's not so!!!!

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Serious point - Paul Smith's "LIL" has been dismantled then? I didn't know that.

Neither did I?????

I did agree to sell her to Jon a few weeks ago who had a customer wanting the engine for his own car. No money has changed hands yet though so I've just made a hurried call to JMG. Waiting for a return call

Baltic Blue has always been fastest [] (well it has to with 480lbft)

 

[TTM]

Hopefully you are getting a fair amount from it and the engine is going to a good home.

Oli will sure be pleased you have kept the better car... []

 

[zcacogp]

OOoooooooh - could be interesting!


Oli.

 

[Peter Empson]

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[George Elliott]

Blimey, sorry to hear of that Paul

George
944t

 

[333pg333]

What happened Paul if you don't mind me asking?

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

Blimey, sorry to hear of that Paul

George
944t

Me too, as you know been meaning to pop in and see Jon, made it once and he wasn't there.

Tony

 

[Ewan]

David - it's not me! I did discuss with Jon and Paul the option of buying LIL and fitting that engine into my car, putting mine into the LIL shell, keeping mine and selling LIL. But the brief maths would have meant this would have cost in the region of £15k, recouped about £5k, and therefore cost me about £10k after all was said and done. It was a close call, but eventually I decided against it. Clearly someone else has done the same maths but come out with a different decision. And good for them. And the car it has gone into does indeed already have the key components such as a big exhaust, uprated adjustable suspension etc. It looks to be in great shape, and shows half the milage of the LIL shell, so I can see why the owner has decided on an engine swap as opposed to a complete car swap. I for one hope it all ends well for all parties.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

and shows half the milage of the LIL shell,

Happy to learn here, but what on earth would be the difference in the shell? I understand that other parts might be better, suspension etc., but does the mileage on a car's shell actually make it worth the cost of an engine transplant? [8|]

 

[Ewan]

By "shell" I actually meant everything but the engine, i.e. chassis, body, suspension, brakes, wheels, interior and so on. So generally speaking the lower mileage "shell" presents better. Sorry to be misleading.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

By "shell" I actually meant everything but the engine, i.e. chassis, body, suspension, brakes, wheels, interior and so on. So generally speaking the lower mileage "shell" presents better. Sorry to be misleading.

Don't be sorry, just asking. I'd always thought of "shell" as what Porsche call "body in white"; the basic core before you fit any bodywork or parts, so wondered how mileage would affect that bit.

Incidentally, PET lists "body in white". Has anyone asked for a price? Might be a bargain if there are a few lurking in the parts system without any rust? [8|]

 

[Lowtimer]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty
Happy to learn here, but what on earth would be the difference in the shell? I understand that other parts might be better, suspension etc., but does the mileage on a car's shell actually make it worth the cost of an engine transplant? [8|]

Shells do eventually wear out. Leaving aside corrosion, every bump in the road is ultimately transmitted to the shell, cushioned via the suspension. This causes flex and fatigue, and ultimately things lose rigidity or start to crack in areas where the loads concentrate. If a given car is...
- softly sprung
- driven gently
- on super-smooth German motorways
- with no history of accident damage
.. it is likely to cope with starship mileage before it starts to lose rigidity or develop cracks.

But change any of those factors for less favourable ones and every factor you change reduces the useful life of the shell. So, if an apparently identical sister car has any of the following factors...
- on stiff spring and damper rates and ARBs
- driven hard, harder acceleration, braking and cornering
- on rough roads, or on tracks involving enthusiastic attacks on the kerbs
- history of accident damage
... then any of those factors will use up the shell life a bit, and reduce the available mileage before it shows signs of significant wear. If several of those factors are applicable, they multiply each other. You can wear out the shell on a car used for forest rallying in just a few thousand miles, andon something like the Escort rally cars I used to be involved with the full roll cage and other bodyshell reinforcements are as much to lengthen the useful life of the shell as to protect the occupants.