997 460BHP
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Michael Downing
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Never mind the numbers - look at the air intake! And the spoiler!
I'll take two, thanks.
I'll take two, thanks.
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In my opinion, reading between the lines, they think there is not much wrong with the current X50 car.
They have taken the same engine, upgraded the turbos and intercoolers, same as the X50 option, turned the wick up a tiny bit to give 10 bhp and 3 ftlb's more (easy when after market people can give you 100 with just a bit of software).
In terms of grunt, it does not seem to move the game on. Obviously they think that you can already go fast enough.
The shorter shift is probably just the current short shift which you can specify.
Therefore, the emphasis is on getting the power down and handling.
I think fancy diffs add weight, complexity and are another thing to go wrong. I am not convinced you really need them since the current one does not seem to really struggle (at least not in the dry).
I'm undecided on PASM, it must add weight and complexity, but if it allows you to lower the car on the move, so you get good handling round the twisties but can still get over a speed bumps and up ramps, then perhaps it is good.
It may help it to be both a GT and a sports car.
I'm not a luddite and accept more technology where it is necessary, but I wonder how much it will all weigh. If they can keep the weight close to 1500 rather than 1700-1800 kg, then I guess it is all for the best.
However, no doubt they know what they are doing.
What do you think the tyres will be, 295 or 315's for launch?
They have taken the same engine, upgraded the turbos and intercoolers, same as the X50 option, turned the wick up a tiny bit to give 10 bhp and 3 ftlb's more (easy when after market people can give you 100 with just a bit of software).
In terms of grunt, it does not seem to move the game on. Obviously they think that you can already go fast enough.
The shorter shift is probably just the current short shift which you can specify.
Therefore, the emphasis is on getting the power down and handling.
I think fancy diffs add weight, complexity and are another thing to go wrong. I am not convinced you really need them since the current one does not seem to really struggle (at least not in the dry).
I'm undecided on PASM, it must add weight and complexity, but if it allows you to lower the car on the move, so you get good handling round the twisties but can still get over a speed bumps and up ramps, then perhaps it is good.
It may help it to be both a GT and a sports car.
I'm not a luddite and accept more technology where it is necessary, but I wonder how much it will all weigh. If they can keep the weight close to 1500 rather than 1700-1800 kg, then I guess it is all for the best.
However, no doubt they know what they are doing.
What do you think the tyres will be, 295 or 315's for launch?
In the case of the side intakes, this is exactly the same styling that Porsche used on the 996 turbo development models.
As I recall one of the aftemarket comnpanies (Techart?) produced a bodykit for the standard 996 with these side intakes.
It would be nice if they DID look like this, but I expect the horrible tacked on panel let in to the wing as per the current offering...[:'(]
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I'm not so sure the TTS will be available fairly early on as a distinct model, rather than an end of life "bung all the bits on" option to shift the last few?
How will they spec it? A few more ponies won't be enough.
Otherwise all you have is an X50 option for the 997. To have a different model requires some more goodies.
I think the side intakes behind the doors are just for testing, to avoid giving too much away and to avoid producing a new bodyshell yet. I expect the real ones to be more faired in. What is the point of smoothing the airflow underneath and optimising it in the wind tunnel to add something so non-optimal.
Whilst the competition may have more horsepower, this is only because they rev higher. The measure of real world performance is the torque, and there is not much wrong with it - it beats all the opposition as it is (in X50 guise). The power is a side effect of torque at a certain rpm. If you take the official figures for the 996TT it is still competitive, if you take a magazine figures for the X50 variant, then it is right there with the Gallardo, Murcielago, and quicker than F360, DB9 and Vantage. Not sure about the F430 and the Merc variants aren't really direct competition.
This is for 0-100 and in gear figures, the top end is all a bit irrelevant.
Having said all this, I would have thought they would go for 500 bhp, unless there is some issue with longevity and the engine won't last their specified 160K miles (or whatever it is).
However, this does leave the GT2 with nowhere to go. I don't really know what it's role is, you may as well have a club sport TT.
How will they spec it? A few more ponies won't be enough.
Otherwise all you have is an X50 option for the 997. To have a different model requires some more goodies.
I think the side intakes behind the doors are just for testing, to avoid giving too much away and to avoid producing a new bodyshell yet. I expect the real ones to be more faired in. What is the point of smoothing the airflow underneath and optimising it in the wind tunnel to add something so non-optimal.
Whilst the competition may have more horsepower, this is only because they rev higher. The measure of real world performance is the torque, and there is not much wrong with it - it beats all the opposition as it is (in X50 guise). The power is a side effect of torque at a certain rpm. If you take the official figures for the 996TT it is still competitive, if you take a magazine figures for the X50 variant, then it is right there with the Gallardo, Murcielago, and quicker than F360, DB9 and Vantage. Not sure about the F430 and the Merc variants aren't really direct competition.
This is for 0-100 and in gear figures, the top end is all a bit irrelevant.
Having said all this, I would have thought they would go for 500 bhp, unless there is some issue with longevity and the engine won't last their specified 160K miles (or whatever it is).
However, this does leave the GT2 with nowhere to go. I don't really know what it's role is, you may as well have a club sport TT.
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Yes but why pick 500? Why not 550 or 600?
Apart from bragging rights in the pub, the actual number is not that important, to my mind at least.
The issue is going to be the acceleration, 0-100, 200, 300 km/h figures, the in gear figures, and some measure of it's real world driving characteristics.
The Turbo is not intended to be an all out track car (that's the GT3's job), so lap times are interesting but not the whole story.
And that's part of the problem, where is the compromise supposed to be, and just what role does the car need to fill.
I would prefer it to be lighter, rather than just having more grunt.
Having seen the other post on the 997 and it's wow factor, or lack of, I would suggest that one of the considerations is the appearance. Perhaps we are just used to the shape, but it doesn't look that exotic.
Anyway, I'll wait for the 998, so since I'm not the "target market" anymore, I guess it's all arbitrary.
What they could do though, is offer a whole load of Tequipment options, for various power outputs from 460 to 600 and ditch the GT2. The opportunity to make money must be there and then there it is down to the customer. I don't know what is holding them back (unless they are still trying to shift the Carrera GTs).
Apart from bragging rights in the pub, the actual number is not that important, to my mind at least.
The issue is going to be the acceleration, 0-100, 200, 300 km/h figures, the in gear figures, and some measure of it's real world driving characteristics.
The Turbo is not intended to be an all out track car (that's the GT3's job), so lap times are interesting but not the whole story.
And that's part of the problem, where is the compromise supposed to be, and just what role does the car need to fill.
I would prefer it to be lighter, rather than just having more grunt.
Having seen the other post on the 997 and it's wow factor, or lack of, I would suggest that one of the considerations is the appearance. Perhaps we are just used to the shape, but it doesn't look that exotic.
Anyway, I'll wait for the 998, so since I'm not the "target market" anymore, I guess it's all arbitrary.
What they could do though, is offer a whole load of Tequipment options, for various power outputs from 460 to 600 and ditch the GT2. The opportunity to make money must be there and then there it is down to the customer. I don't know what is holding them back (unless they are still trying to shift the Carrera GTs).
Some more pics of the 997 Turbo in some sort of 996 headlight disguise
http://www.autothing.com/funthings/SpyShots/funthings-spyshot05Porsche997.htm
Rich
http://www.autothing.com/funthings/SpyShots/funthings-spyshot05Porsche997.htm
Rich
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