964 Turbo / Turbo 2

[Guest]

Good Morning all,

I'm currently planning my next Porsche purschase and I've been doing some research on the 964 Turbo's. However I have a question about the Turbo1 & Turbo 2's, that hopefully somebody will be able to answer.

On reading various books / magazines it's always written that a Turbo 1 has the 3.3 engine and the Turbo 2 has the 3.6.

However when looking around dealers I noticed quite a few cars advertised as Turbo 2's, but there always the 3.3 engine cars.

Am I missing something here.

Thanks for your answers[]

 

[John_Ward]

The 964 Turbo was called the Turbo 2 because it came after the 930 Turbo - which fortunately does not get referred to as the Turbo 1.
The 964 Turbo was initially available with the 3.3 litre engine, and eventually the 3.6 litre engine - both single turbocharger units.
The other common error is referring to the 964 Turbo as a 965. The 965 project was scrapped, but at a very late stage, hence the availability of some Porsche part numbers starting with 965.
Have fun looking - the 964 Turbo 2 is a cracking car - and many owners will tell you that there is alot to be said for opting for the 3.3 version, not least of which is the fact that it is generally cheaper!

 

[Guest]

Thanks very much John.

So visually, how could you tell a 3.6 from a 3.3. GT magazine did a review of the 964 a while ago and the Turbo they used was an absolutely beautiful Mint Green example.

The only difference I'm aware of at the moment is the split rims alloys?

 

[MegatronUK]

ORIGINAL: SimonS

Thanks very much John.

So visually, how could you tell a 3.6 from a 3.3. GT magazine did a review of the 964 a while ago and the Turbo they used was an absolutely beautiful Mint Green example.

The only difference I'm aware of at the moment is the split rims alloys?

The 3.6 has the 'Turbo 3.6' script on the back below the spoiler, so i believe. Does the later car have the big red calipers?

I too am on the lookout for one of these awesome cars, not right yet - but sometime this year: I intially wanted a C2 or C4, but my thinking is "what the heck" []

 

[Guest]

Correct.[]

Red Calipers as well.

A bit of "Googleing" has found that the 3.6 engine was introduced for the last year of production, so pretty rare, about 1000 made in total.

360bhp though[8D]

 

[Mike Pink]

ORIGINAL: SimonS


A bit of "Googleing" has found that the 3.6 engine was introduced for the last year of production, so pretty rare, about 1000 made in total.

I have sought this information too, and recently received a letter from Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche stating that "...according to the information available to us 590 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 Coupe were produced worldwide." Reasonable to believe them! [8|]
Assuming most went State-side, and UK got less than 10% of worldwide production, that's less than 60. I think that the turbo Register Sec believes there were 42 - no doubt John can correct or confirm this?? Assuming a few have been lost to racing/accidents, etc, could be somewhat less now.

Love mine [][][]!

 

[Guest]

Very nice Mike.

Yours wasn't one of the ones from Gmund Cars was it?

I was looking on there today at there previous sales, noticed a couple of 3.6's have gone through there.

 

[aburton]

Simon
I've just come off Pistonheads web-site having advertised my 1995 Turbo 3.6 for sale, however it is LHD so it may not suit you, but nevertheless I would add to John's and everyone else's comments to confirm that these cars are absolutely awesome, and you NEED one. I know I'll be brokenhearted when mine eventually goes.
Regards
Alan Burton

 

[Mike Pink]

ORIGINAL: SimonS

Very nice Mike.

Yours wasn't one of the ones from Gmund Cars was it?

I was looking on there today at there previous sales, noticed a couple of 3.6's have gone through there.

No, got it from Paul Devyea, a small independent near Sevenoaks.

Good RHDs commmand strong money on the forecourt (relative to 993tt's and even newer 996tt's) at the moment - but I think their exclusivity and engineering will always single these cars out as more valuable. Personal view, but the complexity of the 993/996 concerns me as to maintenance costs in the longer term........[8|]

 

[John_Ward]

ORIGINAL: Mike Pink

Assuming most went State-side, and UK got less than 10% of worldwide production, that's less than 60. I think that the turbo Register Sec believes there were 42 - no doubt John can correct or confirm this?? Assuming a few have been lost to racing/accidents, etc, could be somewhat less now.

Love mine [][][]!

You're correct Mike - 42 UK spec RHD cars, plus the 2 RHD slant nose models.
There are a couple of RHD cars from other markets that have crept into the UK as well.
Good RHD Turbo 2 3.6 models still command high prices ( £35k + ), although the cheapest I saw was £20k for very nice yellow Cat D car which looked perfect ( it was sold before I picked the phone up! ), and then £28k for a slate grey one which sold last summer....so keep your eyes open, you may get lucky!
For any of you who are feeling rich, I believe that Gmund Cars now have the ex Nick Faldo black RHD 964 Turbo S in stock - 1 of only 6 cars, and subject of a major review in 911&PW some time back.
Cheers
John

 

[Guest]

Very nice car Alan,

Unfortunately I'll be looking for a RHD car. Still very nice though. Thanks for the picture[]

I shall now just play the waiting game. No rush yet, round about September I'll have huge burning holes in my pockets[]

 

[MegatronUK]

Simon, are you definitely wanting the 3.6? Seems like quite a few 3.3's are around for sale at the moment, and they're obviously quite a bit cheaper - I've no chance of a 3.6 turbo 2, but can probably stretch to a good 3.3 turbo 2.

September time for me too! We'll both have to be quick off the draw []

 

[Gordon Attar]

With so few RHD ones about and the limited choice you will have you should keep your eyes open now, it will help you understand the market and help set your expectations, though Autumn is a good time to buy low point on the residuals.

You should also try LHD vs RHD as you will save £10k and the driving position is better, Also for the price of a RHD 3.6 your into 993 Turbo territory! and they are two different beast the 3.6 being the more dangerous beast of the two! Which is why I ultimately went 993.

If interested in a well written comparison then go to Rennlist.com 993 Turbo register and read

LONG READ: 993TT v 964T: An Owners' Comparison

 

[TJ101]

ORIGINAL: John Ward


You're correct Mike - 42 UK spec RHD cars, plus the 2 RHD slant nose models.
John

Thank you John, Been looking for that info for a while !!

If at all possable find a 3.6T,, out of this world !!!

3.6 = 18" Speedline's, Red Calipers, 3.6 Decal on bootlid, RS type rear bumper,

 

[TJ101]

ORIGINAL: Gordon Attar

Also for the price of a RHD 3.6 your into 993 Turbo territory! and they are two different beast the 3.6 being the more dangerous beast of the two! Which is why I ultimately went 993.

Hi ,,, think when you wrote "dangerous" you really meant "rewarding" []

 

[Gordon Attar]

No I was right the first time, I'm sure they are rewarding but just be careful of the bends and winding them Turbo's up on them, I took the safer route and the next step up for similar money.

If it has to be a 964 you have to go 3.6 though.

 

[TJ101]

Well i upgraded to a 94 3.6 Tur, from a dull ish 95 TT,, winding her up, has never given me a problem,, that the reason i bought her, much more FUN!!, surley that's the reason we all buy a 911 []

 

[Guest]

Thanks for your replies[]

I'm going to Specialist Cars in few weeks and I notice they've got two Turbo's in, both 3.3's, but I'll be having a good look around them both.

One of them is rumoured to be an absolute gem, very low miles (I think around 20k) and in showroom condition.

 

[Gordon Attar]

TJ101
Well thats a change from the normal, do share the differences as alternative views are always welcome.