964 RS Values Again!

[kasbridge]

All,
Sorry to bring this up again but I have some Eu interest in my car and would like a steer on it's value......Ferrari Yellow, original panel/paint, mint inside and out - wants for nothing, full de opc + 9m history, new disks/pads/R888s etcetc. Km are 95k but top end + clutch at 80k. Car is v tight and drives like new.

Interested in what I should be asking + dealer retail in Eu land.......may not sell - dont need the cash but it may open up some interesting options on my next car.....

Thanks to all and see you all on the 6th!!
Cheers,
Kevin.

 

[carreraboy]

From memory think your car has a factory cage? Nice car and colour advertise it yourself on Mobile.de and also Pistonheads also discuss brokering it with Paul McLean at GT Classics ... value top of my head ... well with Thomas Scmitz it would be nearer 60,000 Euro so my theory is work backwards ... also look on Mobile.de and see what is about ... UK value private has to be asking £45,000 if it;s as described all original etc .... But keep it if you can one Day they will be double current values ...[]

 

[kasbridge]

Des,
Thanks for the reply, car has dealer fit Heigo half cage in yellow + big reds + factory speedlines + all black recaros + other "special wishes" items.

I know that it is an appreciating asset but as the Victorians were not into cars I only have one garage space........

Thanks,
Kevin.

 

[jason]

I think you will find really decent cars like yours are more than 60k euro now on mobile.de and Thomas would certainly have it as more...

 

[65 mat]

Such a clean car Kevin!...but replace with what...a kettle? []

 

[kasbridge]

Jason,
Thanks for the response, looking at mobile.de I reckon you are right, a dealer would probably price it just under 70k Euro.

Matt,
What to get next is the big question of course, I am tempted by a 997GT3 since it would be much more usable on the roads in North Wales (I am 3 miles from the border) and also I could drive it in winter without worry-they are also getting very affordable. I know that everyone says that RSs are great on the road but mine just feels rock hard for some reason.

As an alternative I thought about buying an Elise as well but just haven't got anywhere to keep it...

Anyway mind not made up yet - and looking forward to next week!

Cheers,
Kevin.

 

[carreraboy]

Sorry for the undervaluation ...... so 70,000 euro makes it £60,000 pounds .... so anyone else up for cashing in EuroLand ...... some cheap lightweights in the UK!

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

crikey, i have just had a trawl on Mobile.de . To be honest i thought £60k a bit rich but i'm not so sure now. Does make the red car Paul Mac has look stunning value, assuming it's still there and not been whisked away across the pond.
Just out of interest Kevin , you say original paint ? is that 100% accurate or did you mean mostly original paint ? and how long have the new pads, discs and tyres been on the car? Are they new as in 0km's ? Are the original mags with the car ? When was the last service and how many services are in the book ? When was the last brake fluid change. Just trying to get a clearer idea in my head of your cars condition.

 

[Richard Dawson]

One thing that interests me at the moment with rs values is the number of services and identity of servicer and effect on values.

Personally recent OPC stamps would put me right off; a set of invoices showing work at specialists would for me be far more valuable.

Hand S often have low mileage stuff with only a few stamps, i.e mileage servicing which I think less preferable again to a sheaf of invoices.

Particularly trackday stuff often gets pads/fluids etc with alarming regularity anyway and if you are like me DIY alot of the time so I know it is right.

I know of OPC's that are unfamiliar with changing 2 oil filters on a 993.....certainly I do both every time I change the oil. My first 993 with a full OPC history had a nicely rusty oil filter and the previous owner who lived in Edinburgh had one rust through on him ....full OPC history.....

 

[jason]

So you've got off your backsides and actually looked on mobile.de then........[][]

i did tell you[8|]

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[h_____]

Kevin, Lovely car, we swapped mails last year on it, if you remember. I ended up with Des's NGT instead. I think you should wait another year and see.

 

[kasbridge]

Lawrence,
I think that the topside value of my car to a well reputed dealer would be £52-55k on the basis that it would retail at 70k Euro.

My car is a funny one because altho it has high km it is a two owner car and has documented history to show that it did only 4 track events with the first two owners both of whom were Porsche VIP customers and used it as an everyday summer car in Germany.

Also it is a "special wishes" car so it has no mags as it came out the factory on 3pce 18" speedlines + a bunch of other stuff fitted to it including custom RS wheel with extended leather boss etc etc.

It has full OPC history (8 stamps) with the same OPC in Germany, who know how to look after the air cooled cars, and also had a 7k Euro top end + clutch at 81k due to the second owner missing a gear at his second Porsche Sportfahrenschule. 9m now look after the car in the UK.

Condition is (imho) outstanding and according to Tom paint is 100% original altho I think the bumper has been painted for chips - bonnet, wings etc have been checked with a thickness meter and are defo original. Interior is literally as new.

Disks and pads have done one track days 888s are brand new.......the more I type the less I want to sell it!

So, I think my car is probably worth the same as a more typical RS with say 50-60k km on the clock.

Maybe I should take h_______ advice and wait and see.........(I remember our dialogue btw and am delighted that you got a great car!)

Thanks to all for weighing in,
Kevin.

 

[jason]

I wonder what mine is worth???? I've honestly no idea.

Certainly not original paint[]

But then how many other 964Rs have had £35k spent on making them like new recently????




I still think the red one at Paul MC's is a complete steal for someone....

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

sounds spot on to me Kevin. Just wanted a clearer picture and that backs your valuation up nicely.

 

[carreraboy]

So do any of you know of any cars that have sold at these prices ... Talking RS Carpet and LHD ? Name me one ..... The Gt CLassic cars are still for sale ...

It could be a good time to sell in Europe in fact IT IS ...... German Economy getting steadily worse .... £ may improve on Euro can it go any lower? Last three ressessions Classic Cars always held well at the start of the downturn then suddenly they went the same way!

So sell in Europe NOW if you want to sell and cash in today ... but if you have the car for fun and driving use it as intended and bank some smiles. In the very long termvery good investments but fear the medium/short term ... if you can achieve circa 60-70K Euro for a reasonable car then take it ....[] not referring to n-gt here....

 

[Melv]

ORIGINAL: kasbridge

I know that it is an appreciating asset but as the Victorians were not into cars I only have one garage space........

Thanks,
Kevin.

Keep the car.......sell the house!![]

 

[ChrisW]

Matt's car is still with Peter at Pink Pig.

Low miles, nice colour, Chip Wizards 993 induction kit plus the original bits to put it back to standard, --- at £45k ish ?

Maybe it had a Momo steering wheel but that's easily sorted ...

I believe the red car with Paul Mc is still there ... at £40k ?

 

[carreraboy]

Reality check ......... thanks Chris for pointing out the real values ... Matt ex Car at 45K has to be a contender ...... my original valuation stands .....

 

[SimonExtreme]

ORIGINAL: ChrisW

Matt's car is still with Peter at Pink Pig.

Low miles, nice colour, Chip Wizards 993 induction kit plus the original bits to put it back to standard, --- at £45k ish ?

Maybe it had a Momo steering wheel but that's easily sorted ...

Why some cars don't make the money can be a bit mystifying. In this case, I think there are enough minor little things which shouldn't put somebody off but which are doing so. The colour is non standard which I think will put a lot of people off. It is tuned to a higher level than most are comfortable with, it has non standard lettering on the side and many are put off by a cage like that. I am personally not suprised this car is sticking a bit.

I believe the red car with Paul Mc is still there ... at £40k ?

I have never understood this particular car. I can remember 3 occasions it has been on the market and each time, it has stuck, despite it having been correctly (well) priced for it's history. I have seen other red cars sell but for whever reason, this one sticks. And the car cannot be a bad 'un as it is the second time Paul has had it.

Yet some cars get snapped up for silly money, even in this market. I really cannot figure it out........

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: SimonExtreme

ORIGINAL: ChrisW

Matt's car is still with Peter at Pink Pig.

Low miles, nice colour, Chip Wizards 993 induction kit plus the original bits to put it back to standard, --- at £45k ish ?

Maybe it had a Momo steering wheel but that's easily sorted ...

Why some cars don't make the money can be a bit mystifying. In this case, I think there are enough minor little things which shouldn't put somebody off but which are doing so. The colour is non standard which I think will put a lot of people off. It is tuned to a higher level than most are comfortable with, it has non standard lettering on the side and many are put off by a cage like that. I am personally not suprised this car is sticking a bit.

I believe the red car with Paul Mc is still there ... at £40k ?

I have never understood this particular car. I can remember 3 occasions it has been on the market and each time, it has stuck, despite it having been correctly (well) priced for it's history. I have seen other red cars sell but for whever reason, this one sticks. And the car cannot be a bad 'un as it is the second time Paul has had it.

Yet some cars get snapped up for silly money, even in this market. I really cannot figure it out........

Spot on.

Think Simon hit the nail on the head with both here...save me typing it all!