964 Motec Track Car?

[slodge]

Hi all,

I hope this is the right place to post, but maybe modified is better... Am looking at this as a possible step up from the 944 trackcar.
http://www.nickwhalesportscarsdirect.co.uk/porsche-911--964--road-legal-track-car-316

Had a couple of questions if anyone is able to answer them:
- Does anyone have any general background info / views on this car as a pure trackday toy?
- Will it be too much for a novice pilot like myself?
- Will it be cheaper to run than a GT3 or Cayman S with track mods?
- Finally a bit worried about the dreaded noise police if it spits flames on the overrun! Are there simple bolt on solutions available for quieter circuits?

Many thanks for any info you can provide.

Cheers

Slodge

 

[andrew_churcher]

Slodge I think this quote sums it up.........I recall the magazine article on this at the time.

"Some of the experience noted by Phil Royle:

Spits flames on the overrun that crackle and pop like small arms-fire in a warzone / Everything makes sense and works together in perfect harmony and at pace on the track / Acceleration was brutal, accompanied by a wall of flat-six noise / Turn in was razor sharp and as accurate as any 911 / Grip limit was enormous as was the stopping power / We lapped the fast sweeping circuit with ease passing modern GT3's, it was that quick / It was incredible and the best 964 laps I've ever had"

Pretty sure its been sale for quite a while. Auctioned recently and I think it sold for about £25k.

There is a far more trackorientated 964 forum on rennlist where you will get a lot more insight and comment. Go to the 964 section of the forum.

http://www.rennlist.com/

Possibly a tad overpriced but in saying that i reckon it may be hard to build one from scratch for that money.

Looks like a lot of fun to me.

 

[pauldishman]

That car has been knocking around for a while, it was originally for sale on PH for about mid £20k, then went to Sean Lockyear who was asking £60k (as far as I recall) then after his demise to Yourkshire Classic Cars. I last saw it in the Race Retro auction in Feb when it didn't sell for £25k. Nick Whale owns Silverstone Auctions so there's a connection there of some sort.

I think its a bit rough close up and personally wouldn't pay more than £25k for it as a track car/racer.

Its not a RS despite being mentioned as such in various magazines..

 

[964rsdatabase]

If you decide to buy it, bring it along to Zolder in June. []

 

[oldtimer]

Hi Slodge , I was considering getting that car a couple of years ago when it was located in Paris and would not start. SL got first refusal on it .

In my opinion it is a good buy at 25k , it fits the bill for a trackable car , with not just Motec but trick adjustable suspension too , you could not build it for the money.

Would not suit the typical 964RS polisher []

 

[slodge]

Thanks Oldtimer

I hope it starts now... Definitely not after a polisher (although would love a proper RS in the garage!)

It will be beasted round track on a regular basis so looks like fun, although agree it is toppy price wise.

The other option is to buy a proper 964 race car from last season and make it road legal so I can drive to track (don't want to faff around with trailers etc).

Much to consider.

 

[oldtimer]

ORIGINAL: slodge


Had a couple of questions if anyone is able to answer them:
- Does anyone have any general background info / views on this car as a pure trackday toy?
- Will it be too much for a novice pilot like myself?
- Will it be cheaper to run than a GT3 or Cayman S with track mods?
- Finally a bit worried about the dreaded noise police if it spits flames on the overrun! Are there simple bolt on solutions available for quieter circuits?

Many thanks for any info you can provide.

Cheers

Slodge

Re the 'couple of questions' above :

a modded 964 is a good platform to go from novice to oldhand....I have witnessed Steve Brooks' progress in his car - though would not say he started as a novice but the car certainly did [] ....and look at it now .

will be cheaper to run than a GT3 cos its lighter - brakes tyres etc - dont know about Cayman except that its not a dry sump car so probably does not like the oil being flung up one side of the crankcase - can be modded of course

standard exhaust is best cure for noise , dont remember what was fitted to the yellow car , if its decat + cup pipe then you will be over 105db , maybe 108 ....or Kevin might sell you his Will Norman tip - I've got a noise meter that can bring over if needed.

HTH

 

[slodge]

ORIGINAL: oldtimer


Re the 'couple of questions' above :

a modded 964 is a good platform to go from novice to oldhand....I have witnessed Steve Brooks' progress in his car - though would not say he started as a novice but the car certainly did [] ....and look at it now .

will be cheaper to run than a GT3 cos its lighter - brakes tyres etc - dont know about Cayman except that its not a dry sump car so probably does not like the oil being flung up one side of the crankcase - can be modded of course

standard exhaust is best cure for noise , dont remember what was fitted to the yellow car , if its decat + cup pipe then you will be over 105db , maybe 108 ....or Kevin might sell you his Will Norman tip - I've got a noise meter that can bring over if needed.

HTH

Thanks for the thoughts above - very useful. Steve kindly gave me some thoughts on the car also. Am definitely now leaning towards 964 for the next step on track!

 

[andrew_churcher]

Slodge - let me know if you want to sell the 944 track car you have

 

[Steve Brookes]

Agree with John (oldtimer) that to get yourself a 964 track car that it's far cheaper to buy one that's already done. But also agree with others that this yellow one is too high in price at the moment. Something less than £30K is where I would see it.

I've said it before to others and will say it again, I think one of the best priced 964 track cars available at the moment is Paul Clare's grey C2. It's completely road legal and ready to track. Paul raced it a couple of times last year. It's less than £20K and yet no one wants it because it was a LHD that is now converted to RHD (at great expense I believe). Yet people are happy to pay more for Cat D or even Cat C 964s that have been converted to track cars.

The yellow car seems to be pitched price wise between the 964RS values (£60K to £80K) and 964C2 track/race cars (£20K to £30K). It should be in the latter category IMHO.

Good luck with the search Simon. []

 

[h_____]

ORIGINAL: Steve Brookes

Agree with John (oldtimer) that to get yourself a 964 track car that it's far cheaper to buy one that's already done. But also agree with others that this yellow one is too high in price at the moment. Something less than £30K is where I would see it.

I've said it before to others and will say it again, I think one of the best priced 964 track cars available at the moment is Paul Clare's grey C2. It's completely road legal and ready to track. Paul raced it a couple of times last year. It's less than £20K and yet no one wants it because it was a LHD that is now converted to RHD (at great expense I believe). Yet people are happy to pay more for Cat D or even Cat C 964s that have been converted to track cars.

The yellow car seems to be pitched price wise between the 964RS values (£60K to £80K) and 964C2 track/race cars (£20K to £30K). It should be in the latter category IMHO.

Good luck with the search Simon. []

To be fair to the yellow car (and I've never seen it in the flesh), it has more than a standard 964 converted to track car, as it is a period race car, and always has been, whilst its not been a factory race car, I think this has some intrinsic value, esp. if the documentation backs itup. I, think the price is not far off what its worth. at least from my Internet Armchair anyway.

 

[Talat]

ORIGINAL: h_____

ORIGINAL: Steve Brookes

Agree with John (oldtimer) that to get yourself a 964 track car that it's far cheaper to buy one that's already done. But also agree with others that this yellow one is too high in price at the moment. Something less than £30K is where I would see it.

I've said it before to others and will say it again, I think one of the best priced 964 track cars available at the moment is Paul Clare's grey C2. It's completely road legal and ready to track. Paul raced it a couple of times last year. It's less than £20K and yet no one wants it because it was a LHD that is now converted to RHD (at great expense I believe). Yet people are happy to pay more for Cat D or even Cat C 964s that have been converted to track cars.

The yellow car seems to be pitched price wise between the 964RS values (£60K to £80K) and 964C2 track/race cars (£20K to £30K). It should be in the latter category IMHO.

Good luck with the search Simon. []

To be fair to the yellow car (and I've never seen it in the flesh), it has more than a standard 964 converted to track car, as it is a period race car, and always has been, whilst its not been a factory race car, I think this has some intrinsic value, esp. if the documentation backs itup. I, think the price is not far off what its worth. at least from my Internet Armchair anyway.

This. I remember it from prior to when it was sold to the chap in Paris. It was on racecarsdirect for a decent length of time for mid-20's and had some decent race history. Was tempted myself but it being a right hooker put me off.

 

[h_____]

Good piont, would put me off too.

I've seen it over the years and thought the same - it could be a good buy (if the prices is right).

 

[slodge]

ORIGINAL: h_____

Good piont, would put me off too.

I've seen it over the years and thought the same - it could be a good buy (if the prices is right).

Hi

Please forgive my ignorance, but why would this put you off? Is it to do with LHDs being non assisted in the steering dept?

Thanks

Slodge

 

[h_____]

larger market, euro hedge, better driving position.....there isnt much in it to be fair but for a track / race it does make some sense.

 

[Steve Brookes]

ORIGINAL: slodge

Hi

Please forgive my ignorance, but why would this put you off? Is it to do with LHDs being non assisted in the steering dept?

Thanks

Slodge

Normal LHD 964s are also power assisted. It's only the LHD 964RS and cups that are not assisted.

Driving position in a RHD 964 is slightly compromised because the pedals are slightly offset (owing to you being in the narrower side of the car). Personally I've never found the offset to be a problem on road or track.

 

[carreraboy]

Sorry for the late reply Slodger ..... yes a focussed 964 simple ... all question of price ... £28-£32K ?

If you think the cost to make it more than double the price, make an offer Slodge.

 

[slodge]

Oldtimer - thanks for the email. I have replied, but maybe it didn't get through?

simon dot lodge at mipagency dot com

 

[slodge]

Hi chaps,

Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice and PMs. I have however decided to go over to the darkside and just purchased a Mk2 996 GT3 which I'll be fettling over the coming season to make it even more track focused.

I'm keeping the 964 C2 so have a foot in both camps though!

Have a good weekend.

Cheers

Slodge

 

[Steve Brookes]

Sounds a great plan to me Simon! Which one are you bringing to Donington in August? []